10,000 members and growing?! Signs and Wonders?!
I’ve taken a long break and have decided to respond to copy and paste claims from the common Stockstillians defending Bethany World Prayer Center. It seems they have given up on the “personal opinions defense” such as:
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You’re wrong and I don’t have to offer proof, that ‘s my belief
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You’re obviously upset
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You’re a jerk
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You’re the devil
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You have unforgiveness
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O.K., Joel was wrong but we should NEVER speak against prophets
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Joel has had false prophecies but it’s o.k. no prophet was perfect
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It’s not about bible study, it’s about signs and wonders
Now their proof that I’m wrong about the Stockstills Ministry is based on another STRAW HOUSE,I.E., various and often conflicting calculations of their membership. I’ve heard the exact same number, 10,000, for years! Then as noted in past articles they claim hundreds and sometimes thousands have been “saved” in the Baton Rouge Metro’ area in a single weekend and crowd Bethany’s various congregations consistently.
So, according to the Bible are MANY followers the ONLY proof that a prophet is true and we should turn a blind eye to that prophet’s failed prophecies? If a man arrives and claims to be annointed, will you turn a blind eye to his teachings because of the numbers that attend his sermons?
Matthew 7:15–23 (ESV)
15“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
18A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22On that day MANY will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord,
- did we not prophesy in your name
- and cast out demons in your name
- and do MANY mighty works in your name?’
23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Christ describes this group of people who follow false prophets as “MANY” not few. It should be obvious Christ did not say, “Well, False Prophet atleast you brought MANY IN MY NAME. Good Job!”.
Instead Christ on Judgement Day explicity tells us that he is unconcerned about QUANITY(many) and wants QUALITY(good fruit). These MANY are called before Christ to give an accounting to their conduct. They obviously knew this person to be a False Prophet yet followed him. These MANY want Christ to ignore the fact that this Prophet is indeed false. These MANY want Christ to look at:
- DID WE NOT PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME
- AND CAST OUT DEMONS IN YOUR NAME
- AND DO MANY MIGHTY WORKS IN YOUR NAME
All of that meant nothing. These warnings have been in place from old:
Jeremiah 5:31 (ESV)
31the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes?
What will you do when the end comes?! Read what The Sciptures teach and warn about False Prophets! How does The Scriptures describe False Prophets? What will happen if I turn a blind eye when my pastor’s prophecy claims don’t come to past and fail? “What will you do when the end comes(Jer.5:31)?
Will you turn a blind eye when your Pastor/Prophet is obviously using Scripture for unjust gain?
Jeremiah 6:13 (ESV)
13“For from the least to the greatest of them, everyone is greedy for unjust gain; and from prophet to priest, everyone deals falsely.
Mark 13:22–23 (ESV)
22For false christs and FALSE PROPHETS WILL ARISE AND PERFORM SIGNS AND WONDERS, TO LEAD ASTRAY, if possible, the elect.
23But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.
FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND PERFROM GREAT SIGNS AND MIRACLES TO DECEIVE EVEN THE ELECT, IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE(MT.24:24)
Christ tells us that Signs and Wonders are not proof in of themselves. In The Last Days it’s “TO LEAD ASTRAY“.

“Unfortunately, the market-driven ministry philosophy appeals to the very worst mood of our age. It caters to people whose first love is themselves and who care not for God—unless they can have Him without disrupting their selfish lifestyles. Promise such people a religion that will allow them to be comfortable in their materialism and self-love, and they will respond in droves.” SOUND FAMILIAR MY BROTHER?
MacArthur, J. (1993). Ashamed of the gospel : When the Church becomes like the world (28). Wheaton, Ill.: Crossway Books.
Like I said bro’, they’re 10,000 and growing
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i stood on siegen lane an industrialplex i picketed them sun jan 2nd they r a bunch of high minded religous phonys that place is a social club call 225 287 0755 i can tell you a lot about that church an megachurches in general
I wonder how many are in the BCCN Remnant Hundred
Club?
You made some good points here.Keep us posting. What template do you use in your blog
I spent couple of minutes at your website and i am very impressed, very good interesting post
Regards
How come everyone visits this site but no one comments on
Ovadyah’s posts? JMcarthur wrote: “Promise such people a religion
that will allow them to be comfortable in their materialism and
self-love, and they will respond in droves.” If the implication is
that that statement reflects the values of Bethany congregants I
have to take issue with that. No one I observed at Bethany is going
there because of materialism or self-love. I don’t see those values
held among Bethany members or among members of fundamentalist
congregations in general. The above statement can more accurately
be pointed at evangelical congregations, but not fundamentalist
ones, and not Bethany, I don’t think.
well, i don’t think “everyone” visits this site. And really most people don’t care to argue with every blogger with something stuck in his craw.
ROFL….more insults but never really anything to counter my proofs and links, Stockstillians to the rescue!
You’re right Mary. “Everyone” was poor word choice.
But there are obviously a lot of people who come here for one reason or another. My thinking is that the substance of this blog intrigues a lot of people. Thus the high volume of visitors.
My comment was only meant to speak to what I think is an imabalanced ratio of visitors to commenters.
Thanks for your comment.
I visit solely for the hilarity of it all. The postings compared to actual reality blow my mind. So I visit often for a good chuckle and head shaking amazement. I never comment because of the fruitless nature of such things as well as the author’s habit of editing comments.
Hi “Bob”,
Like the Stockstillians before you, you offer nothing to support your claims just insults. Such people blindly support those false deities.
Leave judgement to the Lord. He will take care of false prophets and others. I know that what I hear at Bethany sounds like what was happening in Jonestown…and they drank the Koolaid and the rest is history. Imagine having to take your W2 to Bethany to convince Pastor Stockstill that you are paying one-ten of your salary. The Pastor is inaccessible. He is surrounded by body guards and security agents. He flies in helicopters from one church campus to another. Is this God’s work? One cannot even see your own Pastor. You have to be high up on the food chain in the giving og tithes and offering to be able to see the pastor. How is it they call the boys are pastors? Are they all called by God and their wives also?
“Leave judgment to the Lord.” That’s good advice for everyone Johanna, but it’s not always easy advice to follow, especially when you’ve got someone like Hippo–the best example of a modern-day Pharisee and the closest thing you’ll see to the antichrist here in America–making a mockery of the Lord. Did you know that God doesn’t love atheists and homosexuals?
Jesus spoke about this type of Pharisee in Luke 7:47, “…he who has been forgiven little loves little,” as opposed to someone who has been forgiven much loving much.
I’m resigned to the fact that I’ll never be able to kill a fundamentalist ministry like this one, but even today I’m embarrassed that I tithed a portion of my income to this place and angry, thinking that some of it may have gone into the pocket of this devil.
Ovadyah and I can’t kill this ministry and we can’t get our money back, but we can do the next best thing by helping other Christians not to make the same mistakes we did.
After this comment posts, I’m going to send something to Ovadyah that I think everyone who visits this website will be interested to see.
Let’s see what he does with it.
where’s this high number of visitors you keep talking about?
Hi Mary, he’s referring to WordPress.com’s automated counter. It’s in the upper left hand corner:
1.BOLD PRINT
2.ALL CAPS
3.entitled “VISITOR’S TO OVADYAH’S BLOG”
4.”24,546 Visitors”
My mom told me there was a protest at Bethany south today (Jan 2). Some people had posters. Can anyone give me some info?
Thanks
i was the one who had the posters im not afraid to expose their *ss[edited by ovadyah] thank god i found this sight my number is 225 287 0755 my name is everett matthews i used to be a member their i said they a cult, they’re prejudice, they hate obama, megachurch= mega bucks, they endorse republicans , i said beware of wolf n sheep clothing , its a social club, i siid they r a bunch of high minded religious folks. i was the 1 with the courage to expose their *ss[edited by ovadyah] glad to have found this site with god’s will i will picket they *ss[edited] again
everett,
friend ive been there with you! I have been torn apart by this church and as a result allowed the devil to seperate me from God bc of it. I do agree they are a cult. But maybe you should look into WHY a lot of christian churches support republicans and not Obama. He is for things like abortion, homosexuality, and always backs down on what he says he is going to do. he is a liar and I do not support him because I love God and know he claims to be a Christian and is not! Dont misunderstand me or take this the wrong way…Bethany is the epitomy of the devil in my opinion. but this is just a reply to your comment about Obama.
also before I have any confusion…I am not a judgemental person…judge not lest you be judge! so I am not condemning homosexuals (the PEOPLE…NOT the SIN) the SIN is whats wrong…but everyone sins…its a matter of them getting saved and turning their life over to God and coming OUT of that sin. Just wanted to make that clear lol
These Republican Christians spread even more lies about President Obama. So why support liars?
JOEL ON A SABBATICAL?!
Translation: I’ve been screwing up so much, I’m once again being sent away until Daddy can restore financial contributions.
Until then, I’ll be chilling in West Palm Beach, DON’T FORGER TO TITHE, LoL.
(((SMH)))
lol, I’ll believe that counter when I see the raw stats.
So in other words, you want the passcode to log into my account?! Contact WordPress and have them verify the stats.
no, i could care less about the passcode to your account, no one said that, always putting words in peoples mouths. screen shot of the stats will suffice.
So download software, install, register, create a snapshot of the three pages, ROFL <3 Report me to WordPress.com that you think I'm falsifying visitor stats. Please, stand up for justice, LoL!! Report me now, quick! Please, I'm begging you. That will suffice, that will suffice ;=)
BTW, you just showed how smart Stockstillians are. I couldn’t have put words in your mouth cause the following is a question not a quote:
And how was Bob insulting anyone? It is true after all, I mean this site is def. some good head shaking amazement followed by chuckling.
Lol this guy is such a doofus
Kate you come at my boy with the flaming insults, but you have no credible info from Bethany or The Word of God to back him up. I think you are the doofus honey!
Now I can’t have anyone saying or believing that about my boy Kate.
Ovadyah, if you will….
BleedingHeart,
It’s always the same with these Stockstillians. They can’t actually counter my evidence so they initiate the FALLACY of attacking AD HOMINEM. I like these comments because it further supports my evidence.
Then you have the other Stockstillian, Mr.T, who is demanding proof of my Stat Counter, eventhough it’s an App generated by WordPress. All I did was check a box and allowed WordPress to count visitors. He’s not even concerned with the defilement of The Scriptures by his god or their House of Greed. Again, they support my point…
I told him to write WordPress and complain/inquire about my page falsify visits and his reply is to create a snapshot of my internal Dashboard and send it to him, ROFL!!! That really made me smile, I had show that one off. A snapshot, ROFL….. of my accounts’ dashboard, LoL.
Hey O,
I feel sorry for all of these Stockstillian illuminati people who come to this site trying to be hard. If they did the math and the research and see how all of this Cell Church mess got started in the first place which was from Cesar Castallanos Ministry and Dr. Cho’s Group who were trying to market the whole thing, which caused Bethany to break off from the Castallano alliance, and rebrand and remarket their own Cell strategy called the P-12 Cell Group. I wouldn’t be suprised if its called the Remnant Cell Group now fooling with Big Daddy Larry. Bethany members could care less and don’t wanna hear talk of impropriety in the leadership. Whatever happened to the Deacons and the Elders of the Church? They were replaced by Associate Pastors, Jordan Joplings, Ivan “Jonathan Stocksteal” Dragos, and youth pastors galore. Its been 10 years since I have left the brainwashing group in Baker, and have no regrets.
Big business my brother, big business….They could pee on these people and tell ‘em it’s raining, and all will say:
“Amen, let it rain!”.
Somebody wrote in about a possible protest. Now that’s interesting.
@ DK- you meantioned Jordan Jopling…..his brother now attends my church in West Monroe and I have seen nothing but Bethany like characteristics since! I left Bethany right after the very first Deluge conference! Went there for 12 years and saw with my own eyes the crap going on. I left a church IN OKLAHOMA bc they began implementing bethanys ways but I feel God urging me to stand up this time and speak against this cult! If you would I would love for you to e-mail me your thoughts and everything that happened to you so I can present it to my young adult pastor when I meet with him!!! I need more people to stand with me and people who KNOW first hand whats going on! my e-mail is maegan.d.ford@gmail.com
i was the 1 who picketed bethany on jan 2 that church is a business 80 percent of megachurches r family owned like corner stores u know like the yangs the son the daughter the wife god aint call on the whole family where is the church with all tis dame crime i thought u was supposed to leave the temple an go get the harvest talking about the harvest aint saving no body my number is 225 287 0755 call me so we can talk who ever reads this.
Praying for you dear brother!
lets pickett them together my number is 225-287-0755 my name is everett they r a bunch of crooks i was the one who did it on jan 2 on siegen an industrial plex
if anyone wants to pickett bethany call me at 225 287 0755 these people are out of touch with reality walking around with bluetoots an lab tops driving fancy cars if their was no reward for preaching the gospel they would not be preaching take them out they comfront zone they probably will turn their back on jesus.
people need to pickett this church call me at 225 287-0755 their is power in numbers they r wolf in sheep clothing they only care about them selfs some one call me if you agree.
like Louis Farrakahn said they r a bunch of blue eyed devils who r out of touch with reality living of the backs of black people who r the majority he has them brain washed with their white ology black an minorites need to leave an go to another church they endorse republicans who do nothing for poor people weather you black r white they r predjustice let a black man marry his daughter i bet the shit go hit the ceiling an they suppose to b a family of god get real hes stepping down in october an giving the church to jonathan that church will collapse he has made millions know he is getting out with his money he said god told him to preach get real u want to enjoy your money an vacation this is nothing but a business momy daddy kids grandpa i cant wait to pickett their asses again thy serve the pastor more than jesus
So what you’re saying is they’ll never marry “The Help”?
lol what does that even mean?
correct
Wow, what a foul mouth. Definitely not a christ follower with that filth pouring out. No wonder you picket churches, you are full of the devil.
no i stand for whats right maybe u should read proverbs 28 an 11 matthew 7verse15 jesus fortells about false prophets an the rich u dumb ass i do my homework before i do something whats wrong cant stand the truth im go pickett them again cut of some of that republican funding they send with tithes an offering say ovydiyah im go pickett them again at the south campus maybe u can come see hit me back asap maybe we can get a couple of people.
why they call u potty mouth is it because u talk crap o ok if u suppose to be a christian then u should be praying for me not ridiculing me
why have you stopped posting? this weekend at the bethany united service when the ceo succession plan was executed and jonathan was handed the church, there was a “surprise” offering taken up for larry and his wife. the whole church opened their wallet and gave to the stockstills as a thank you for all their hard years of earning the big bucks while starving out the rest of their employees. there were thousands and thousands of people attending and i can’t imagine how much cash was thrown at them.
Dear Dgd…,
I would hope others would take up the slack. I’m investing my time in the biblical languages. You seem to know a lot of their business, why not start a blog?
dont know looking for a team to pickett with me one has started on wall street lets get a team to pickett megachurches 225 287 0755