PEACE AND GRACE BE UPON THE DISCERNING ONES WHO ESCAPED THE CULT OF BETHANY.COM
This self proclaimed prophet condemned Michael Jackson To Hell With No Mercy; Even mocking Michael's dead body!
I’ll have to say that Joel Stockstill has finally shocked me! My soul and spirit was just floored at his post. I actually held back the tears to type this response to such an unmerciful and punitive false prophet like Joel Stockstill. He obviously has some sick joy in condemning Michael to hell. I’ll post Joel’s sick and twisted statements in bold and respond under neath. JOEL MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!! I sincerely pray for YOU! You’re treading on dangerous grounds by condemning people to hell! It’s one thing to make yourself a prophet but a whole heresy to place yourelf in GOD’s judgement seat, telling us who is in hell.
Joel fails to realise that Michael Jackson was FORCED to grow up. He had no child hood. He was taught during his childhood years to ISOLATE HIMSELF from others. IT WASN’T A CHOICE! Upon reaching adulthood, he only continued what he was taught, ISOLATION. In interview after interview you can hear Michael stating he wished he could be LIKE OTHER KIDS. This obviously effected his self esteem and mental state. On top of all of this, people sought to extort monies from this mealticket. As a result, he turned to narcotics while folks like Bethany’s Prophet Joel Stockstill continued mocking him, EVEN IN DEATH! I don’t know who to feel sorry for Bethany’ so called Prophet Joel or M.J.
Upon being asked which song reveals the true Michael Jackson, he(M.J.) replied “The most honest song I’ve ever written is called CHILDHOOD(click here for lyrics), here is a concise quote on Michael’s painful honesty:
“Before you judge me, try hard to love me,
Look within your heart then ask,
Have you seen my Childhood?People say I’m strange that way
‘Cause I love such elementary things,
It’s been my fate to compensate,
for the Childhood I’ve never known…Have you seen my Childhood?
I’m searching for that wonder in my youth
Like fantastical stories to share
The dreams I would dare, watch me fly…Before you judge me, try hard to love me.
The painful youth I’ve hadHave you seen my Childhood…”
Michael Jackson Robbed Of His Childhood and Extorted By Friends As An Adult. Mocked In Death By God's Preachers! Father Have Mercy On His Body & Soul. To All of Those who Tortured This Man And Continue To Mock Him, Forgive Them Too!
(MY PRAYER)Dear God who renders a righteous judgement. PLEASE HAVE MERCY ON MICHAEL’S SOUL, he was robbed of his childhood and only taught isolation. Hear his cry and pain, hear my plea, forgive those who mock him and enjoy laughing at his tortured body. The priests in your house, dear God, has lost all their senses. They mock the downtrodden and have become superstars. Lying to your sheep and leading them astray. Stealing their money and perverting your Holy Scriptures. Likewise, have mercy on their souls. AMEN. Here is Joel’s whole blog(click here):
“Nothing could more picture the enemies desire to use someone for his evil purposes and then chew them up and spit them out (straight into hell) like the recent passing of superstar and world-known Michael Jackson.”
Joel, if we hold you TO THE SAME STANDARD you hold Michael Jackon to, would it not be logical that “nothing could picture the enemies desire to use someone for his evil purpose and then chew them up and spit them out STRAIGHT INTO HELL” like the passing of your wife Amy Stockstill due to your failed prophecy that Christ would heal her?! Who chewed up and spit out your wife?!
Furthermore, who gave you the authority to condemn Michael Jackson to hell?! Have you created another double standard or is this for those outside of your cult? Remember the THIEF ON THE CROSS WITH CHRIST? Surely in our eyes, he was condemened by GOD AND WENT STRAIGHT TO HELL. But thanks to the Gospels we know at the last minute on an EXECUTION STAKE, Christ forgave him and the condemened was saved and entered PARADISE(Lk. 23:43)!! Yet, you have some sick and twisted joy at condemnation. Even when time for repentance was down to a minimum and he practiced sin his whole life, Christ informed:
43 “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Next you stated:
“His bald, sickly frame was resting in a coffin and the world tried to regurgitate some good memories about this fallen star and yet without some supernatural intervention not known by the world he has entered the place of torment for the beginning of forever.”
The world wasn’t trying to “REGURGITATE SOME GOOD MEMORIES”, they were being respectful, merciful, and Christ-like! For you to demean this hurting man as:
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Bald
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Sickly
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Fallen
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He ha entered the place of torment
Who made you judge of the dead? To all those who remain silent at Bethany, SHAME ON YOU!! You wrote in here at Ovadyah and was quick to condemn me for exposing Joel’s failed prophecy that Christ would heal Amy Stockstill, yet you say nothing about the disrespect for Michael Jackson.
Joel claims that because there was no known “supernatural intervention” Michael Jackson entered “the place of torment”. IS THIS HIS DOUBLE STANDARD FOR BLACKS AGAIN??!!
LET’S APPLY THIS EXACT SAME STANDARD TO HIS DEAD WIFE, AMY STOCKSTILL!! Wouldn’t this be fair? Is Joel such a holy prophet in your eyes that he is really untouchable? You should be scared and afraid to be under such leadership! Let’ look at Joel’s BODY! Who is he to describe ANY PERSON AS SICKLY??!! If you want to mock ANYONE Joel, just look in the mirror. How would you like it if someone looked into Amy’s coffin and laughed at her bucked up teeth and big ears??!! You would’ve condemned them to hell like Michael.
Let's Place Joel's Standard of No Divine Intervention To Amy Stockstill's DEATH BY DISEASE!! Why Is Larry Stockstill Constantly Letting This Clown Stand In God's Judgement Seat?.
Look at how he squeezes in “Britney Spears”. I guess this is the proof that he doesn’t have a doulbe standard for Blacks. Ridiculous!! If he wanted to mock anyone, he should have LOOKED AT HIS OWN SICKLY BODY! As M.J. said, “start with the man in the mirror”. He doesn’t degrade Britney Spears, he merely mentions her name. He did the same with his annointed Sarah Palin. Anyone see the double standards, one for blacks(Michael Jackson, Barack Obama, Jesse Jackson) and another for whites (Britney Spears, Sarah Palin, Bristol Palin, Oral Roberts)? Bristol Palin did the same thing as Britney Spears BUT JOEL NEVER MENTIONED IT DURING THE ELECTION!!
I agree Michael has “questionable” actions but I REFUSE to put myself in GOD’S JUDGMENT SEAT usurping God’s grace and righteous judgement. Joel YOUR SICKLY BODY and DEAD WIFE should remind you of that !! The most disturbing statements came from the kids giving their Cult Leader nothing but “Amens!” and “Right On” when Joel condemned Michael to hell. He’s turned them into hate mongers with double standards. Bristol Palin never repented during the election for having a teen pregnancy out of wedlock, so why didn’t Joel condemn her??!!
I only read two Comments (From Blake and Amber) that spoke in favor of M.J. and warned everyone of pre-judging without knowing the last moments or mental condition of M.J. However these two folks who spoke out will most likely remain under the authority of Joel. It just amazes me how they tolerate his mockery of Christianity. If not let me know, it’s rare.
DAMAGE CONTROL, THRILLER PT.2:
Joel quickly wrote another post after condeming Michael Jackson to hell and eternal torment. Joel Stockstill has no sense of humility. Instead of repenting for clearly doing the wrong thing by condemning Michael Jackson to hell, he rewrites in Part2 that he only stated Michael “POSSIBLY” entered hell,THIS IS A PURE LIE!! Joel clearly wrote that Michael Jackson “…HAS ENTERED THE PLACE OF TORMENT FOR THE BEGINNING OF FOREVER”. He doesn’t say Michael “POSSIBLY” entered hell but “he has entered….”. What type of Character and role model for our children? What a hypocrite and a liar!!
He even mocks those who defended M.J. He made an attempt to prove he initially blogged that M.J. only “possibly” entered hell by quoting his statement(found in Thriller Pt.1):
“yet without some supernatural intervention not known by the world”
Joel, if anyone believes the fragment you provided is proof that you meant Michael “possibly” entered hell qualifies as gullible and blind. You completed the above fragment with “HE HAS ENTERED THE PLACE OF TORMENT….”. Are your subjects really that naive?! Are they going to believe this? Why do they ignore the warning signs of this cult? He even mocks those call him “mean ol’ joel” by stating, “THAT HAS A NICE RING TO IT DOESN’T IT?”. Parents did you hear that?! He loves the label!!
If anyone studies cults, you’ll find one thing they all have in common with Bethany. Warning signs they should leave BUT ARE TOO INTIMIDATED OR NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO LEAVE.
Joel claims that being under “suspicion” makess you guilty and with that Joel is supposedly taught by Christ this allows us to condemn people to hell. INSANE!! SUSPICION IS NOT PROOF. Can we condemn YOU TO HELL for being a false prophet?? Can we condemn Amy To hell for not speaking out against the unbiblical rituals Bethany practices(Benny Hinn’ Slain In The Spirit, babbling called tongues), Can we condemn you to hell for abandonding Baton Rouge after Gustav for shopping sprees? Can we condemn Larry Stocktill to hell for lying to the congregation that he would make the biggest sacrifices during the 20/20 vision and is constantly on vacation? Did you practice fruits of righteousnesss by lying via Jordan Jopling that you went to West Palm Beach For Dialysis only?
IF YOU CAN CONDEMN M.J. TO HELL FOR SUSPICIONS SURELY WE CAN CONDEMN YOU TO HELL FOR STRONG EVIDENCE? Or does your rules only apply to blacks?
One thing history tells us is that many Christians from the Bible to modern times were killed UNDER SUSPICIONS by the governing authorities? According Joel’s standards this was enough to condemn them to hell. I would hate to see you sit in a jury. According to your standards, YOU SHOULD HAVE WEEKEND VISISTS TO HELL! Surely the thief on the cross led a horrible and unfruitful life yet AGAIN, in his last breath he was saved. WHY NOT FOCUS ON THAT?
Let’s focus on your unfruitfulness!!
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FAILED PROPHECIES
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ABANDONING B.R. FOR SHOPPING SPREES AFTER GUSTAV DESTROYED BATON ROUGE
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QUOTING SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT
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CLAIMING TO HER GOD WHEN IN CONTRADICTS SCRIPTURE
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HOLDING A DOUBLE STANDARD FOR BLACKS
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PRAISING THE GOD OF EASTER(a pagan idol)
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ALLOWING JORDAN JOPLING TO LIE FOR YOUR ABSENCE
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WHAT ABOUT THE DEATH OF YOUR SICKLY WIFE?
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DOULBE STANDARDS, ONE FOR BLACKS AND ONE FOR WHITES
According to your standard Joel, YOU’RE OFF TO HELL!! Where does Joel get his information that he spreads to Bethany? The same anti-minority news channel he quoted during the election, FOX NEWS NETWORK! He’s emulating Republican Rep. King who called Michael Jackson “A PERVERT” due to suspicion only. Rep. King stated “there’s nothing good about this person”. click here for latest.
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“Joel ain’t no false prophet. He speaks words of truth and reason. You need to repent for your offense toward the Stockstill family. You obviosly have a personal vendetta against them. (and are probably a former member @ Bthany) That unforgiveness will send you to hell along with “Jacko””
Dear Jordan/Derek You made the comment:
“Joel ain’t no false prophet. He speaks words of truth and reason.”
So, when Joel prophesied that his wife would be healed and recover from her disease but later died from that disease. How is that particular prophecy “…words of truth and reason“?
When Joel abandoned Baton Rouge immediately after Gustav for an air-conditioned condo and shopping sprees in West Palm Beach and THEN LIED he had to travel that far for dialysis when the entire state was available, how is that “…words of truth and reason“?
When Joel doesn’t know if Michael Jackson repented and was saved on his deathbed, yet goes on to condemn Michael to hell, how is that “…words of truth and reason“?
Next you commanded “You need to repent for your offense toward the Stockstill family. ”
I’M NO LONGER UNDER THAT CULT’S AUTHORITY, I’M FREE IN CHRIST JESUS, Amen!! Also, What offense? What exactly was a lie or inaccuracy? I refuse to repent for telling the truth. You provided no details. Please don’t react emotionally but logically. I know you deify the Stockstills because you can not refute anything on my site in particular. You continue in the error of those who worship the Stockstills, I’ve broken that curse, my family is free from their failed prophecies, love of money, and their charismatic cult as detailed in articles at Ovadyah.
The Stockstills need to repent for lying to the people of God that they would make the biggest sacrifices in their own 20/20 Vision program and instead LIED, they just came from a vacation throughout Greece AND DIDN’T TAKE A BREAK BUT TRAVELED TO ANOTHER “CONFERENCE” IN LEBANON. They lied! They’re not making sacrifices, they’re making vacation trips!! The Stockstill family preys on the poor gullible blacks of Baker, La.. The majority has made an exodus, though a remnant can not shake their authority and neither because they are coerced by Overseers like you commanding them to “…repent for your offense against the Stockstill Family.” when they question the Stockstills lies.
Next you claimed, “You obviosly have a personal vendetta against them. (and are probably a former member @ Bthany)”
Yes, I take it very personal when these false prophets make my Father’s House a “Den of Thieves“. Like Christ my zeal consumes me(John 2)!! Amen!! Thanks for the recognition. Again, I take it very personal when my brothers and sisters are coerced out of their money and the so called Prophet enjoys their “giving over and beyond” for his (Stockstills) family’s personal enrichment while the poor of Baker struggle. Amen, thanks for the recognition.
Yes, I use to belong to that cult and their occultic practices like being “slain in the spirit” and their unbiblical version of “speaking in tongues” and JUST LIKE YOU I USE TO REBUKE ANYONE WHO CONTESTED THEIR AUTHORITY AS BIBLICAL PROPHETS!! I USED TO BELIEVE THEIR WEIRD DREAMS AND VISIONS that was always a sales pitch for their new book. But I God woke me up and removed me from that cult.
Next you condemned me to hell if I didn’t submit to your prophet with….
“That unforgiveness will send you to hell along with “Jacko”
Again, I’ve broken The Stockstill’s Authority, I no longer let those fear tactics work. They use to work but I was Christ led me to escape that Cult and be free. Furthermore, What exact “unforgiveness” is going to send me to HELL with “Jacko”? You coercion might work on the members of your charismatic cult but not me!! YOU PRACTICE THE SAME FEAR TACTICS OF THE CULTS LIKE
David Koresh of the Branch Davidians as a uncontested prophet
Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple as an uncontested prophet
That’s just to name a few. If you contact any Christian ministry that saves people from cults like the Stockstills they will inform you of your coercion tactic. Cult leaders always use fear to keep members in line and under their authority. You fear tactic doesn’t work because I realised that contesting THE STOCKSTILLS will not send anyone to hell. When we see people claiming to be prophets and their words not coming true WE HAVE A DUTY TO defend the sheep of Christ against these dogs. When we see THE STOCKSTILLS coercing Christ’s sheep out of money, WE HAVE A DUTY to defend the naive and poor not condemn them to hell. I most certainly forgive THE STOCKSTILLS FOR THEIR SINS, I JUST DON’T CONDONE THEIR SINS. You’re condoning their sins by commanding me to keep quiet or I’ll GO TO HELL. That doesn’t scare me anymore, Amen!!
YOU TAKE IT TO A LEVEL THOSE CULTS NEVER DID. THEY ONLY CLAIM THOSE WHO CHALLENGED THEIR PROPHET STATUS AS DISOBEDIENT CHILDREN.
YOU ALONG WITH YOUR PROPHET ACTUALLY CONDEMN PEOPLE TO HELL!!
You’re not the first. The more I hear from the Cult of Bethany, the more afraid I am for those under their authority. Now, I know why people are afraid to leave or contest their failed prophecies.
Finally, you need to practice what you preach! If you and Joel don’t forgive Michael Jackson according to YOUR TEACHING, you and Joel are on your way to hell with me, LOL. Hypocrite!! Take the log out of your eye first. Again, I clearly forgive The Stockstills for their sins. However, I don’t condone their CONTINUATION of lies and schemes. In my first paragraph you failed to acknowledge the unmerited grace I showed Joel. I never condemned him to hell, I’ll let Joel stay in God’s Seat since he placed himself there. I extended grace to his sin by writing:
Good Afternoon “Guitarboy0924“,
You stated:
ok the if you knew pastor joel you would know that he has treatment 3 times a week..and if you were in gustav you would know that the doctors were busy with others.and pastor joel couldnt and was unable to get treatments in LA.
By your statement it’s obvious you’re on the outside-looking-in or have been under a rock. This is an old defense that was proven a lie not only by my family member who attends the same Center for the same amount of treatments(Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays) but by local New Agencies who re-assured such clinics were opened. These centers were IMMEDIATELY REOPENED. Joel who has a history of Blogging and Tweeting about his health never gave that a reason for traveling way to West Palm Beach. He only complained about “NO A.C.”. Even now he’s tweeted about his health and treatment. So either the Center AND it’s patients are lying or Joel is. I know it’s hard to believe your deity could do such a thing but he’s man.
Second, to claim the area was so busy he had to travel to West Palm Beach, Florida is A NEW LIE. At first Jordan Jopling, his assitant minister claimed the Center WAS CLOSED/SHUT DOWN. NOW YOU CLAIM “THE DOCTORS WERE BUSY WITH OTHERS”, LOL. This is not only a new defense but an obvious DIFFERENT REASON for Joel having to travel way to West Palm Beach Flordia. DUDE, YOU DOING MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD. Why? Those are NURSES NOT DOCTORS as you claim at the center, LOL. Second, The centers were never so busy they had to turn away ANYONE! THAT WOULD BE CRIMINAL. Even Joel’s ministers never used that excuse so why should we now believe an “Anonymous” poster who lives out of state??!! But I’m sure their lying and Joel is telling the truth. No other place for Dialysis but West Palm Beach, LOL. I’m glad you’ve revived this defense! It causes traffic to my site and more people who left to remind themselves why they left. NOW WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT STORIES, LOL. Thanks….
Next You claimed:
second pastor larry took his first vacation in the 20+ years hes been pastor at bethany this past month.
So how does this turn a LIE into the truth?! Larry Stockstill clearly stated HE AND HIS FAMILY will make the biggest sacrifices to the 20/20 vision program before instructing US to (postpone vacations, hand over pay raises, get a second job and hand over that pay, etc.). He has been overseas promoting books and attending conferences BEFORE going on this week long vacation. Anyone in Corporate America knows conferences are nothing but vacations disguised as work. How is all of this traveling and sending his kids through the best colleges making Sacrifices?! How is Melissa Stockstill traveling back and forth to London eight times in a year and half an example of his family making sacrifices?! STOP MAKING EXCUSES and making yourself a Principal to their lying. You’re making claims that Larry Stockstill himself never made,i.e., “…Larry took his first vacation in 20+ years”. In fact, he brags in his blogs about having fun traveling in Europe before this last one in Greece. Next you stated:
third calling pastor joel racist is not smart his church is 80 percent black and more than half his team of leaders are black..so your wrong there…
Yes, I was one of those 80percent(MANY BLACKS HAVE LEFT mainly the 220SU crowd, LESS THAN 80% NOW) that always submitted to the “feel sorry for the stockstills Gospel”. Thank God I’m free from that cult, Amen!! Again, it shows you’re on the outside looking in. BETHANY USED TO BE 80% black. Many have made an exodous after seeing how the Stockstill’s children were being sent to the best colleges and traveling abroad enjoying life WHILE THE 80% BLACK CONGREGATION fell for their 20/20 scam and was forcing their own kids to make sacrifices. We are waking up to the Stockstill’s scams. If anything, blacks should be embarassed at how they were tricked. All of the investment goes to Bethany South(Predominately White Congregation).
Melissa Stockstill’s European Royal Harpist played at Bethany South, Bush only visited Bethany South, The Conferences are always at Bethany South, The 220Box for teens is only one exit away from Bethany South. This area and it’s teens are predominately WHITE NOT BLACK. The whites are benefitting from the blacks monies. You never hear about the predominately black congregation in Plaquemine….NEVER! Yet they are a major financial contributor. The predominately poor Black Congregations of Baker and Plaquemine are getting screwed. The Stockstills are not investing in their neighborhoods where crime and poverty rule and teens have nothing to do. Instead the Stockstills are investing in the areas where the teens and their parents are “well off” financially. The mall kids are in no need like the Blacks of Baker and Plaquemine. I live in Baker and can testify to it. I lived in Plaquemine for 4 years and can testify to that. We just had a “National Night Out” on crime. The predominately black participants did not see any reps’ from Bethany. Baker Louisiana has seen a huge spike in crime, yet again, The Stockstills invest in property too far for the poor black kids of Baker to hang out. Why didn’t they invest in the eye soar property at the predominately black mall in the hood, i.e., Cortana Mall? Nope, they went with the skateboard and bike stunt well do to kids, one exit from Bethany’s predominately white congregation.
“and yet without some supernatural intervention not known by the world he has entered the place of torment for the beginning of forever. What a sad picture!”
he he didnt get saved he went to hell that what he is saying.
Again, I already know Joel sent Michael Jackson to hell. If Joel is not aware of any “supernatural intervention” he should’ve kept his mouth shut unless he finds himself speaking against The Ultimate Judge. Again, I know of many children who were isolated and forced into doing what their parents wanted them do and teased by Christians to the point where they’re broken mentally and physically. People made fun of Mike’s black skin and black flat nose(mainly his father). He was a crushed soul who had so call friends extort monies from him. This is the time to show mercy and the need to help such kids before they turn adults NOT MOCK THEM AND CONDEMN THEM TO HELL.
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The Tree and Its Fruit
matthew 7 15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. MJ did not show good fruits at ALL
So, let’s apply that standard to the Stockstills who have been caught in lies(promising to make the biggest 20/20 sacrifices) and Scripture Twisting(2 Sam.24:24 is about a capital campaign not sin) and broken vows and occultic practices(Benny Hinn’s slaying in the spirit)!! According to your standard the Stockstill are producing bad fruit and should be “THROWN IN THE FIRE” or headed to hell with M.J. .
But no, not the Stockstills, they’re deities! It’s okay for them to con blacks out of their money and claim to have visions of Judgement Day approaching, yet go to Greece on vacation, LOL.
Until the Stockstill repent, they can not be divine intervention. The Stockstills can’t repent because they have nothing but “yes men” and worshippers supporting their cult.
I’m still waiting for an explanation on Joel’s failed prophecy that his wife Amy Stockstill will be totally healed from her disease. Yet she died in a diseased state! This is a failed prophecy. JOEL SHOULD REPENT. This makes him a FALSE PROPHET. Like the verse you quoted “CAN YOU PICK GRAPES FROM THORNBUSHES?”. LOL
ok the comment i made i made a mistake
“he he didnt get saved he went to hell that what he is saying” i meant
“IF he didnt get saved he went to hell”
I thought you might have wanted to correct yourself. The point is, if we don’t know, WE DON’T KNOW. We Can’t guess! Joel’s prophecy about how GOD confirmed Amy was going to be totally healed shows Joel is not hearing from GOD. So he needs to be careful about sending anyone to hell. He need to start “WITH THE MAN IN THE MIRROR”.
You keep claiming he was not a false prophet eventhough GOD allowed Amy to be strickened to death by disease. So, what went wrong with Joel’s prophecy? You give a huge curbing scale as a prophet but another standard for Michael Jackson??!! That’s not racist??!! LOL!! One for a white and another, stricter scale for a black??!!
Bethany’s Prophet Joel continues to contradict himself for the W.W.W. to see. He claims to be standing in faith and authority but look at his contradiction in his twitter blog:
“Today a day of rest and treatment. Wait,1 of those doesn’t go! Treatment isnt Gods best. I reject all reliance on medicine & embrace healing”11:57 AM Aug 3rd[2009] from Tweetie click here
FURTHERMORE, how on Earth can Bethany’s prophet claim “I reject all reliance on medicine….” BUT AT THE SAME TIME ADMIT “Today a day of rest and TREATMENT”. He immediately recognizes the contradiction and claims “Wait 1 of those doesn’t go!”. If Bethany’s prophet Joel rejects ALL reliance on medicine Why does he rely on treatments?
Why didn’t he stay in Baton Rouge after Gustav and “reject ALL reliance on medicine”? No, he contradicted himself and claimed he had to make emergency travels all the way to West Palm Beach for “relaince on medicine”, LOL
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Greetings In Christ Jesus Our Prophet, you stated:
“well, first I think that you are way off base buddy“.
Since your basis of my references/research being “…way off base….” is not based on anything in particular but rather on your opinions, or as you admitted “…I think that you are way off base buddy“. I can only reply, “ummm, o.k.”. Next you contradicted:
“I see that you are frustrated for reasons that are upsetting. But you are way too flipping angry about this, and you have no respect for any authority, and show a complete lack of maturity”
Yes, you are correct in observing my frustrations are based on “…reasons that are upsetting“. Amen, this was definitely revealed to you through the Holy Spirit. Praise God!! However, you then contradict yourself by downlplaying the abuse by your Prophet “But you are way too flipping angry about this“.
You have successfully confused me by your contradiction. So what in particular am I “…way too flipping angry….” about? Details please.
Furthermore, your Prophet is not my prophet, so he has no “AUTHORITY” over me and my house, only YOURS. If you think Amy’s was totally healed based on Joel’s prophecy and authority, then I have news for you….SHE DIED FROM HER DISEASE. His claim went denied!!
Next, you defended your prophet by declaring before God and men:
“Joel is not a false prophet. He is man of God. And there is noting you can say that is going to change that.”
So again, you’re not citing anything in particular? You’re just showing that your more loyal to your Prophet Joel Stockstill than to The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Well, that’s your freedom. I don’t belong to such a cult. The biblical Prophets were 100% correct. They didn’t go around playing guessing games and twisting Scriptures to rob the poor as Larry Dean Stockstill does in his 20/20 Vision Plan(2Sam. 24:24) or Joel hearing from God that Amy would receive a “total healing”. Next, you too practiced your Prophet Joel Stockstill’s “authority” of rebuking others. However, like the death of his wife so will be the death of your cursing. I curse no man, I don’t have that authority, I bless those who curse me, Amen!
” I curse any bad things you could possibly say about him and his family, and furthermore his wife. You are offend over a man who is authentic, and you alone are judging him.”
Again, I’m commanded by my Prophet Christ Jesus to “Bless those who curse you”. If I submitted to your Prophet, I would have presented a better defense than mere opinions. I would have dealt with Joel’s failed prophecies and the contradiction reasons why he fled to West Palm Beach for shopping sprees but later claimed medical emergency. How can Joel be an “authentic” prophet of God when he prophesied his wife would receive and total healing AND DID NOT BUT DIED FROM DISEASE and is in the ground rotting? Next you concluded:
“Something you say is wring[sic]. No while i think that it may be out of line for anyone to judge MJ I think it is also wrong for you to be so tearing and rude to a man. Remove the plank from your eye!!!!”
Once again, what EXACTLY did I say was wrong? You claimed it was “something“. Those who deify their Prophet continue to write in with these baseless opinions and charges. The only person who attempted to logically prove me incorrect was Jordan Jopling of Bethany but even his reason was proven LIES and CONTRADICTED JOEL’S OWN STATMENTS. This is why he hasn’t responded.
If you think it is wrong “…for anyone to judge MJ….”. Why didn’t you immediately rebuke your Prophet for this unbiblical act?! That’s not respecting authority. You rightly identified it was “…out of line for ANYONE TO JUDGE MJ….”, yet you didn’t not respond to Joel’s article with the same rebuke you commanded me to observe.
Thanks to followers like you, Ovadyah’s blog is supported by your own admissions that his authority is “…out of line….” AND NOT FROM GOD. You yourself have help show he is not an authentic prophet. The only thing you’ve shown is that when he is “…out of line….” the black folks under him should without questioning (LIKE OTHER CULTS) respect this Prophet’s authority because if they doesn’t it shows a “complete lack of maturity“.
This is straight out of the KINGDOM OF THE CULTS!! Lord help us!! Your people have checked their brains in at the door.
In the Name of Christ Jesus, Joel and Larry Stockstill have no authority over me, AMEN!!
Hi,
For my own reasons I wish to remain anonymous in this posting. I too have been hurt at
Bethany and have seen many others chewed up and later spit out after being used to the maximum. Is there any way we can communicate in private?
Thanks and God’s blessings to you and yours,
Nir
Dear Nir,
Trust me I totally understand the cult’s authority and power. They’ve divided many family members and held other in their bondage, promising if they’ll give and give they’ll get but never receiving. While our children are told to have faith, they’re kids are graduating from top universities on our donations. Their latest honor is, Stockstill, who is attending the University of West Palm Beach which is one of the richest cities in America. It’s also where Joel fled after Gustav for “shopping sprees”.
Furthermore, I understand the need to be anonymous. The Stockstills are powerful in Louisiana politics. Larry Dean Stockstill was a minister for Govenor Foster(yes, the same govenor who has ties with David Duke). However, there is strength in numbers, Amen! and we will overcome.
I will contact you later today. I’m off to work, I’ll try to email you during lunch break.
God bless and Stay Safe!
(Kimberly Pointer’s comments will be in bold, mine in normal font)
Sir, I don’t know what happened with you at Bethany, but I assure that it is not a cult.
So where is being “Slain in the Spirit” in the Bible? Why only nutty televangelist like Benny Hinn practice it and their charismatic denominations adopt it? Where does the bible allow for everyone to babble at the same time and call it an orderly speaking in tongues? Why does Bethany’s Prophets have continued failed prophecies like Amy Stockstill being healed of her diseased body but is now rotting in the ground? Why does Larry Stockstill Coerce people into giving him money by telling them it’s cursed if they withold it when Paul states giving shouldn’t be done by such unbiblical scams? Why does Larry Stockstill scare people by telling them he had a vision of Judgement Day approaching and immediately promotes his book sale of “The Remnant” and goes on a week vacation in Northern and Southern Greece, yet judgment day is approaching very soon??!! These all are scare tactics that cults use to coercce people into submission and giving over and beyond in their pay checks. Next you wrote:
The things that you are posting on this page is just rude,disrespectful, and hurtful.
That’s my point EXACTLY!! Thanks for the confirmation!! All I did was apply your white leader’s standard BACK TO HIMSELF!! This has caused many of Joel’s worshippers to cry out in distress. You Stockstillians defended Joel when he applied the EXACT SAME STANDARD to M.J. but when it got applied to him you cry out “The things that you are posting on this page is just rude, disrespectful, and hurtful.”. That is not only a racist double standard BUT A SURE SIGN OF A CULT!! The leaders are above the law, while their recruits HAVE TO OBEY WITHOUT QUESTION. One person attempted to confront Joel’s hypocrisy and was met with VIOLENCE. Joel brags about the use of violence against anyone who contests him. He said Big-Mike gave the congregant a “BEAT DOWN”. That’s not funny, that’s violence!! Yet, I’m sure in your eyes it’s o.k., Joel is white and has that authority. Next you cried…
Why are you so concerned with what the Stockstills do? It they are who you think they are stay out of it and let God handle it. If they are not, you are in serious trouble buddy. I don’t want hear anything about your proven facts on the Stockstills. Why don’t you and your family stop worrying so much about them and make sure that your day to day walk with the Lord is straight. You obviously have too much time on your hands to dig up “proven facts” about the Stockstills.
Again, I used to rebuke those who contested The Stockstill’s claim that they were Prophets but thank God He woke me up and gave me a mission to rebuke such false prophets. A true prophet warns God’s people and sounds the alarm, he doesn’t stand by and condones corruption by being complacent.
Second, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!! Why are you so worried about me??!! Follow your own advice you hypocrite and “…stay out of it and let God handle it.”. But you can’t because you’ve been trained to apply TWO STANDARDS. One for blacks and one for whites. Blacks have to obey but whites can over-ride the rules. The negroes have to stay in line while the white rob and degrade them. If they contest Joel sends “BIG MIKE” out to give out of line Negroes a “Beatdown”. Next, you claimed:
And just for the record, PROPHET Joel did state in his first “Thriller?” blog that “unless there was a some supernatural intervention” Read more carefully next time, so when you post something about him again, it just may really be a proven fact.
Once again you fail to practice what you preach, LOL. But again….that’s the double standard. I ALREADY NOTED JOEL SLIPPED IN ONE DISCLAIMER among his post. However, if that clown admits he doesn’t know what happened, then JOEL NEEDS TO SHUT HIS MOUTH and say nothing!!
I applied the same standard to Amy Stockstill and you Stockstillians start crying and weeping that I’m the one that’s rude because only Joel can degrade with disclaimers, LOL. Y’all some clowns, for real!! What type of logic is that??!! I applied it to Amy Stockstill’s death by disease to prove just that point. Would it be logical to for ANYONE to say well I don’t know if Amy had divine intervention but I’ll send her to hell anyway. Amy Stockstill never spoke out against her husbands corrupt ministry so “without divine intervention” on her deathbed, I’ll send her to hell. I DON’T BELIEVE ANYONE, INCLUDING MYSELF, has the authority. My point was to show you it shouldn’t be TWO STANDARDS BUT ONE.
Answer me this. How come the leaders at Bethany don’t have to practice what they preach?
Ummm…Ovadyah,
The blacks you see at Bethany are “sell-outs”. The Stockstills could crap in their lap and tell em it’s an annointing and they will believe it. There’s no amount of proof that will open their eyes, I’ve been there. They use your state as a sinner against you anytime you speak against their prophet “status”.
Furthermore, look at the black leaders that remained. They have no soul!! They didn’t attend a (H)istorically (B)lack (C)ollege like Southern University, they don’t hang around blacks, they don’t know black slang, they don’t use black dialect, and they don’t even listen to black gospel music. That is how they were recruited by The Stockstills, they(The Stockstills) saw these negroes at L.S.U. and loved their “good-ole boy” demeanor and that will be the closest thing to a black minister.
I say all of that to say this. I understand your expose’ but blacks like the above will refuse to even look this way because the Stockstills have convinced them that God will punish any contesting. So, those of us who left enjoy your stance but the remnant that was bullied into staying, WILL STAY NO MATTER WHAT. You’re wasting your time trying to get them to think apart from what the Stockstills are telling them.
Chris P.
Baker,La.
Hey brutha did you see that Kim Clement who Joel claims was a prophet who foretold Sarah Palin is now jumping on the Obama Band Wagon,LoL!!! That’s why Joel wrote his blog about Rom 13 and people claiming Obama is being attacked by the enemy. Joel is now at odds with Kim Clement. Like you said their pride won’t allow them to repent, they just jump on and off the bandwagons.
—–I’M NOT SUPRISED THAT KIM CLEMENT IS HOPING ON THE OBAMA TRAIN. I AGREE, WHEN HE THOUGHT SARAH PALIN WOULD WIN, HE CLAIMED SHE WOULD BE THE ONE, YET IT WAS THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT THAT STIRRED THINGS UP! IF YOU LOOK AT KIM IS LIKE THE PHONY STOCKSTILLS, WHATEVER IS POPULAR THEY HOP ON IT. IT’S JUST A MATTER OF TIME WHEN THEIR NUMBERS START GOING DOWN AND FINANCES DRAINING THAT BETHANY WILL SEDUCE BLACKS BACK BY PRAISING OUR PRES’.
I see that another one of Michael Jackson’s accusers took his own life. I wonder what Joel has to say about that? He will probably hide behind his excuses the same way he hides behind that Escalade us gullible blacks bought him.
—-Ovadyah responds—–Joel is very selective in what he “exposes”. He still has yet to mention Sarah Palin’s unwed daughter’s pregnancy or John McCain’s agreement with Bill O’Reilly that the left is trying to change the “complexion” of the white male christian infrastructure during his interview on Fox. Unlike us, we state that we don’t agree with everything Pres. Obama does but you won’t find their prophet being that honest.
My boy who is an employee their informed me that Joel, like Palin in her new book, is once again blaming the victims in his latest sermon on tithing. Even during these hard times, he’s asking for more money. He even stated on the video DON’T WORRY ABOUT WHAT PASTOR IS SPENDING IT ON, LoL!! And they black folks in the congregation were shouting “Amen Pastor, Amen”. They make us look so ignorant in the eyes of those searching for salvation.
I see you didn’t respond to what I said, I hope I didn’t hurt your feelings or come against you in any way. Please forgive me if I did.
220duckie
——Hey Joel’s Duckie,
I responded to your first set of comments at: https://225br.wordpress.com/joel-almost-beatdown-during-service/
Your second set of comments was a debate about speaking in tongues and you went way beyone the topic at hand. I responded in an email back that if you want to debate how Bethany World Prayer Center babbles and call it “tongues” then you should debate that in its proper arena. That can be found at http://WWW.CARM.ORG not on a post about Michael Jackson. Context LiL Duckie, Context.
HOWEVER LiL Duckie, if you want to be an OFFICIAL REPRESENATIVE of Bethany’s Dogma, I can arrange a debate about your Rom 8:26 means to babble incoherently. Again, if you want to be there official spokesman for their ritual babblling based on Rom. 8:26, I can arrange it. This site is about the corrput priesthood of Bethany NOT A LIL DUCKIE. Remember, Bethany will hold you responsible for any misrepresentations so check with them about Rom.8:26 before you claim they also use it as a proof text.
Man you got this all wrong…. first of all this has nothing to do with blacks….. second of all God has a standard for everyone including michael and he just didnt meet it. the bible says that nothing unholy will ever get into heaven so sorry but joel is 100% right. Its really funny how you accuse and write bad things about him, maybe you need to realize that you know nothing, Joel is a mighty man of God and its a very bad thing to talk like this about preachers, its gonna bring a curse to your life.
——————–OVADYAH RESPONDS——————-First Denis, what is it with you Stockstillians that you guys simply give opinion and not facts with supporting evidence. What SPECIFICALLY did I get wrong? Something specific.
Second, this has a lot to do with blacks:
1.) Why didn’t Joel Stockstill condemn MUTEMATH(white) LIKE HE DID TO M.J.(BLACK).
2.) Why the doulbe-standard? Why AGAIN, did he conceal PALIN’s(WHITE) shortcomings BUT EXPOSED Pres. Obama’s(BLACK)?
3.)Why is it o.k. for Joel/Larry to support WHITE CHRISTIAN POLITICAL organizations that called our BLACK President BY THE UNIVERSAL RACIST INSULT OF MONKEY but not for blacks(Like me) to expose Joel’s hypocrisy without being threatened with a curse?
4.)Why is it o.k. for Joel/Larry(white) to preach for their majority (BLACKS) to make financial sacrifices yet the Stockstills constantly travel the world, purchase gifts, attend the best universities and their kids like Melissa travel over 6times to Europe in one year?
This is just off the top of my head and not counting the constant double-standard Bethany preaches. The all White Band Mutemath that Joel praised sued their record company for trying to potray them as “Christian”. Mutemath is that disgusted with Christ, yet Joel still praises them and condemns M.J.?! And you’re telling me that’s NOT A DOUBLE STANDARD?!
Joel and Larry Stockstill claim to be Biblical Prophets yet they were wrong that Amy would not pass and overcome her illness. YET she passed. THAT MAKES THEM FALSE PROPHETS! The Bible condemns them to DEATH BY STONING for making God look like a liar. So ACCORDING TO YOUR STANDARD, Joel is headed to the SAME HELL he condemned M.J. to for not repenting.
But it’s obvious you don’t believe Joel will go to hell because you use the “White Standard” for his unrepentant sins and give M.J. the “Black Standard” of no mercy. Why do you apply THE SAME STANDARD to Joel? Unlike you God doesn’t use double-standards Joel will be judge way he judged.
So you Stockstillians start naming specifics and use ONE STANDARD not SEGREGATION in God’s Court.
ovadyah it’s o.k., joel is a prophet. since he preaches against homosexuals that automatically makes joel untouchable.
according to them if you claim to be a prophet you don’t have to obey god just preach that other have to tithe and obey god.
———OVADYAH RESPONDS————————That’s about right. Joel is considered a prophet ONLY because he states something true. However, he preaches against golf course tempers as too violent YET brags about how good G.I. Joe movie was, claims God spoke to him that AMY would not pass away BUT SHE DID, applied a double standard during the elections which the bible speaks of one standard for everyone. YET THOSE SHARE-CROPPERS AT BETHANY continue to call Joel a prophet and submit to his authority. Where did a TRUE PROPHET practice this type of hypocrisy?
They didn’t, people like Joel were called FALSE PROPHETS. Just because the Devil tells the truth don’t make him a true prophet.
Sorry, but I accidentaly gave you an expired email thus, I didn’t get your reply. I am sorry.
Lil Duckie
—————————OVADYAH RESPONDS—————————
O.K.
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God bless
—————————-OVADYAH RESONDS———————————-
Will do, thanks!
I feel like you have been a little too harsh! I respect your right to be uncomfortable or even offended with Joel’s comments about MJ! I’m sure there are many who may agree. To use the passing of his wife as evidence that Joel is not a man of God – I have trouble with that as it is just so cruel. I could never do that to someone Jesus has commanded me to love!
David
——————-OVADYAH RESPONDS—————————————————–
That’s my whole point, the comparison was rhetorical! If we use the EXACT SAME STANDARD JOEL USES, we will see JOEL was using a standard (your words) that was:
1)too harsh
2.)Cruel
3.)I could never do that to someone Jesus commanded me to love
The problem with your statement is that Joel’s standard shouldn’t be applied back to him. Joel is above God’s Scripture and as a result, only Joel can be “too harsh, cruel” to people.
So why is it cruel ONLY when I apply Joel’s standard back onto him? Why have you made Joel a god?
You are full of shit
I don’t cuss but well said.
Ovadya,
Please contact me at arobertson@lsureveille.com, I have some questions for a column I’m putting together on Bethany and would love your input.
Thank you
I love this…you are so honest! I agree with you….The Stockstills do not treat their blacks and white members the same…
you people are idiots. good grief. how much time can a person have to start a hate website towards another individual. with this website you prove that you in yourself are a hypocrite. get a life.
When you love God, You HATE Satan. So, thanks. I hate Satan and his con men 🙂
i’m glad that you pointed out joel’s inappropriate condemnation of michael, but i’m also sickened by your words towards his dead wife.
O.K., but his wife is not dead. He’s remarried already.
I love your whole blog\site here. I have only one problem with it. Everything you say, can and should, be applied to every charismatic/tele-evangelist out there. No matter what they may accomplish, or claim to accomplish, in the end their real reason for existing is …….MONEY!!!! And grabbing as much of it as they can. If there is a hell and anyone is going, they would have to be leading the way. You can’t live in excess while people right in your congregation are suffering, never mind the rest of the world. “If you see a brother in need and are able to meet their need and do it not, how can you say the love of God is in you” (paraphrase my own). Keep holding their feet to the fire (no pun intended).
The reason why I focus locally because this Ministry is the head of the snake.
Despite the many sites that deal with the famous international scams many claim The Stockstills don’t teach that scam.
As a result, I show successfully Bethany does. As you see, The Stockstillians respond with emotion and opinions NOT FACTS!
Thanks for your input!
Seriously you have went to the extreme
writing this..a little to far. You went from
Micheal Jackson to politics and then went
Back to bashing a pastor. Your in your
American right with the freedom of speech
but there’s some off about being upset
Over Joel not supporting the democratic
Party..after all the people listed aren’t the
Greatest people any Christians should
Be supporting and backing! I get the impression
Your more democratic minded and set on
Obama than me or even Joel are. That’s your
Right but do your research before blasting
A pastor whose not advocating abortion!
Yes he shouldn’t have said what he said but
He did so live with it bc he will be held
accountable for what he said just as you
Will be for this blog! No one is exempt from
Facing Jesus and giving an account of
what was said. In the end yes pastor Joel is
Human he makes mistakes like a human does
Afterall Jesus was the only human/person
Who remained sinless! Pastors screw up
left and right daily so who are we to bash
someone who God has called to preach to
The church?! Offended? Mad? Upset
Over what I’m saying? If you are go talk to
God about it! I can careless if your mad at me
I’m just calling it as I see it. Your point was made then you killed it and at the end it was
Just annoying and you devalued your whole
Point. Yes be angry or whatever but seriously
Research the people you start defending
Before bashing people. Even worse was you
didn’t need to bring up his wife who passed
Away multiple times. Bitterness and anger
Are what was portrayed in your blog.
It’s just sad you went as low as you did.
Amy did nothing wrong and you drug her
through the mud and yet she’s not even
Able to defend herself whereas Joel can.
Thanks for the long blog about you bashing
Pastor Joel over a mistake he made. No person
Should condemn another but this whole blog
With everything you wrote was as bad if not
Worse then what Pastor Joel had said.
Congrats on showing the non Christians
Who may read this
Oh boy, once again a Stockstillian who rants about nothing. Like those Stockstillians before you,LoL, WHAT IN PARTICULAR DID I GET WRONG AND SLANDER YOUR PROPHET WITH? It seems like your only beef is I shouldn’t say anything and keep quite not that my accusations are wrong.
Well, that’s not going to happen, The Stockstills have NO AUTHORITY over me. ^_^
And as always you contradict yourself like the other Stockstillians. You tell me I shouldn’t rebuke Joel but you rebuke me?! First, practice what you preach hypocrite.
AMEN!
Joel Stockstill the false prophet-220i religious cult leader-brain washer
Cant stand the stockstills abunch of fakes!!!