LARRY THE LYING $TOCK$TILL PT.3 Monday, Sep 28 2009 

hypocrisy

Larry Stockstill continues to have all the right words but all the wrong practice. As more and more people are fleeing from his authority and revealing the scams and coercion tactics of Bethany, he claims to have spoken with a represenative from the Billy Graham Ministry about their success. Lying Larry claims Bethany has ALWAYS followed a particular rule of not speaking against other ministries:

Finally, they would never criticize other leaders from the pulpit. Using the pulpit to elbow past your competitors is not the will of God.

That is EXACTLY what we are doing in the “Remnant” movement for pastors. Thousands of pastors are reading that book and resetting their values. It’s good to know that Billy Graham did that exact thing 60 years ago and is still going strong. I believe God will do it again for the new generation!(Sunday, July 19th, 2009 at 6:23 am)

The first and obvious thing we see is the continue promotion of his book “Remnant” not God’s book, the Bible(which is free) but Larry’s Book which he claims is getting these insufficient pastors to finally start “…RESETTING THEIR VALUES”. Lying Larry needs to start with his own house before he attempts to straighten out “THOUSANDS OF PASTORS….”. Both Larry and Joel have provided false prophecies and abuse of the Scriptures to steal money from naive christians.

Osteen's service is an uninhibited celebration that's part rock concert, part spectacular. There are no crosses, no religious symbols whatsoever. It's all taped and broadcast around the world. His service is seen in 100 foreign countries and is the most watched religious broadcast in America.

According to his CBS Interview, Osteen's service is an uninhibited celebration that's part rock concert, part spectacular. THERE ARE NO CROSSES, NO RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS WHATSOEVER. It's all taped and broadcast around the world. His service is seen in 100 foreign countries and is the most watched religious broadcast in America.(Click Here For entire article by CBS News)

Larry made the claim that Bethany “…WOULD NEVER CRITICIZE OTHER LEADERS FROM THE PULPIT.”. However, Joel Stockstill just condemned JOEL OSTEEN’S Church. Anyone familiar with Joel Osteen’s numerous interviews know that their Church is very liberal and does not display crosses or any religious relics or talk about sin, they only “motivate” people AND JOEL CONTRADICTS LARRY BY STATING:

“…when I hear PREACHERS say things like “our church doesn’t have a cross or anything like that in it” as a statement of relevance and persuasion to attend I GET DISGUSTED!(Posted Aug.29,2009. 11:19am)”

“No longer do LEADERS allow the gifts of the Spirit to operate in the gathering of believers on Sunday morning for fear of making some poor visitor uneasy. (most have no need to disallow because they couldn’t move in the gifts if their life depended on it!(Posted Aug.29, 2009, 11:19am)”

Joel’s criticizing The Osteens because they support Pres. Barack Obama while Joel promoted Sarah Palin/McCain during the campaign. Larry King’s interview has The Osteens stating that Pres. Obama “…DOING A GREAT JOB, LOVES THE LORD, I BELIEVE HE IS A CHRSTIAN“. Joel has yet to make any respectful statement(click here for entire interview with Osteens and Larry Kings):

“Larry King: Since you were last on, we have sworn in our first African-American president. What are your impressions [of Barack Obama]?

Joel Osteen: Well, I think he’s doing a great job. I’m impressed with his skill, his calmness, his just strength under pressure. These are tough times for him.

King: And you, Victoria?

Victoria Osteen: I’ve been really impressed. In fact, I’ve been impressed [with] the first lady. She stepped up, and she’s done a remarkable job.

King: Recent polls show 12 percent of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim, and 35 percent say they don’t know his religion, but to most of them it don’t matter. Should it matter?

Joel Osteen: Well, it matters to me. It matters to me that I know he loves the Lord, and I think it’s important that he has convictions from his faith. So to me, it matters when I’m making my personal decisions.

King: Does it matter to you, Victoria?

Victoria Osteen: It does. It matters to me. … I believe he is a Christian.”

Instead Joel continues the paranoid statements made by white christians that Pres. Obama is the an agent of the Anti-Christ. This statement has never been made from Bethany until an African-American took office:

“Yes, there is a spirit of anti-Christ that would try to take over our govt and nation, but yet there is still a remnant of righteous men and women who have been placed there strategically by the Holy Spirit.(Click Here)”

Question to those who deify the Stockstills. Who’s the liar? Larry or Joel? THEY JEALOUSY IS ELBOWING PAST THE COMPETITION!! Bethany claims ony 10,000 members and national televised airing while Joel Osteen’s Church has 30,000 and international airing. But Bethany would never speak against another leader, LOL. The Stockstills are annointed, the problem is they’ve used dirty oil. As “Chris P.” commented in the blog “Joel Condemns Michael Jackson”:

“Ummm…Ovadyah you’re wasting your time with “The Remnant’ LOL,

The blacks you see that stayed behind at Bethany are “sell-outs”. The Stockstills could crap in their lap and tell em it’s an annointing and they will believe it. There’s no amount of proof that will open their eyes, I’ve been there. They use your state as a sinner against you anytime you speak against their prophet “status”.

Furthermore, look at the black leaders that remained. They have no soul!! They didn’t attend a (H)istorically (B)lack (C)ollege like Southern University, they don’t hang around blacks, they don’t know black slang, they don’t use black dialect, and they don’t even listen to black gospel music. That is how they were recruited by The Stockstills, they(The Stockstills) saw these negroes at L.S.U. and loved their “good-ole boy” demeanor and that will be the closest thing to a black minister.

I say all of that to say this. I understand your expose’ but blacks like the above will refuse to even look this way because the Stockstills have convinced them that God will punish any contesting. So, those of us who left enjoy your stance but the remnant that was bullied into staying, WILL STAY NO MATTER WHAT. You’re wasting your time trying to get them to think apart from what the Stockstills are telling them.

Chris P.
Baker,La.

SEE THE MISCONCEPTIONS/RUMORS ABOUT OBAMA THAT WHITES ARE SPREADING

JOELS FAVORITE NEWS CHANNEL, FOX NEWS CHANNEL, IS RACIST!! CLICK HERE.

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Joel Condemns Michael Jackson To Hell Pt.2 Monday, Sep 28 2009 

****IMPORTANT****DO NOT CONFRONT THE SO-CALLED “PROPHETS” AT BETHANY ANYMORE!! JOEL ADMITTED TO USING VIOLENCE(HERE) TO SUPPRESS CONFRONTATIONS! HE EVEN LAUGHED AT THE “BEATDOWN”SIMPLY TAKE YOUR FAMILY BY THE HAND AND FLEE TO SAFETY!! AGAIN DO NOT CONFRONT THEM********

SERIOUSLY DO NOT CONFRONT THE CORRUPT PRIESTS ANYMORE!! FLEE!!

GET BACK IN YOUR SEAT BOY!!

In part one(CLICK HERE), we applied the exact same double-standard to Joel Stockstill’s wife and the defendants cried foul. Why? Their claim was the same, Joel is above God’s Law, we’re aren’t to condemn whites(one standard for blacks another less critical for whites).

This hypocrisy is made evident by Joel Stockstill’s own admission! Remember the harsh standard he applied to M.J.? Well, HE DIDN’T APPLY IT TO HIS ALL WHITE BAND(HERE, called MUTEMATH)!! In fact, he admits that this all white rock-and-roll band is addicting to listen to. In his twitter entry on SEPT. 04, 2009 he states(click here):

“ok, im not big on any music that isn’t worship but the new Mutemath cd rocks! cant get enough!”10:38 PM Sep 4th from web

Wow….!! What a double standard! As his history clearly shows, if people in his black congregation start complaining, one or two things will happen when they confront him:

  1. He, like his daddy Lying Larry, will quickly point out their “disclaimer”

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Those who attend this cult where beatings are issued to anyone who contests Bethany’s Prophets please take my advice. DON’T CONFRONT THEM ANYMORE!! SIMPLY TAKE YOUR FAMILY AND LEAVE!! AGAIN DON’T CONFRONT THEM!! YOU’RE IN DANGER!!

Now, back to The Stockstill’s second damage-control tactic. Joel always places small disclaimers in his statements:

  1. politicians do the same to re-direct money in their pockets
  2. used car salesmen place them in their contracts to get you stuck with a clunker
  3. cellphone companies do the same to hit you with extra charges
  4. These “as seen on T.V.” pitch-men use disclaimers to push their faulty products
  5. Insurance companies use disclaimers to deny coverage after you’ve paid for years

IT’S A SCAM!! Joel’s disclaimer above will certainly be used as a disclaimer to those who see his JIM CROW STANDARD. Joel Stockstill stated, “OKAY, I’M NOT BIG ON MUSIC THAT ISN’T WORSHIP BUT…..”. Don’t fall for it, he totally cancels that disclaimer by the conjunction “BUT…”. He clearly used a double standard for this all white band.

If he used his white-standard on Michael Jackson nobody would’ve had a problem BUT just like he did with Palin/McCain during the campaigns, whites are always right according to his grading curve but blacks have to be perfect!!

This all white band that Joel finds addicting admits THEY CALL RELIGIONS LIKE CHRISTIANITY A “BARRIER” to music YET Joel Called them “CAN’T GET ENOUGH(click here)”:

For us, we just try to keep it simple. We’re obviously a band; that’s really all we ever wanted to be from the very beginning without catering to any particular genre or political or religious agenda. We just want to make music with no barriers.

Paul MeanyBoise WeeklyApril 11, 2007

On top of this, MUTEMATH SUED TIME WARNER FOR PUTTING THEM IN A CHISTIAN CATEGORY!! This rock band that Bethany’s Prophet finds “addicting” hates Christ so much they actually sued their parent company for marketing them as such!! Now that’s hate for Christ that should be exposed! BUT JOEL TURNS A BLIND EYE AGAIN TO HIS WHITE BROTHERS!! This white rock band said identifying them with Christ “HURT ITS IMAGE”, LOL, and y’all call Joel annointed??!!

“Mutemath has filed suit against their label Warner Bros. for breach of contract and negligent misrepresentation. While in negotiations with the label, they were told their releases wouldn’t carry the Word Records branding, a Christian imprint of Warner. Their first Warner album included the Word logo, which the band felt hurt its image, inspiring them to sue.”

Didn’t your self-proclaimed prophet just rebuke those who indulge in activities where Christ is not present? Did he not just condemn a black musician but later praise these white rock-and-roll musicians??!! This band admitted in the Boise Weekly that if they catered to a religion like Christianity it would be a “BARRIER”. Why is Joel praising this band and not “speaking the truth” as a man of God? The sell-outs at Bethany claim that Joel Stockstill is an annointed Prophet who speaks the truth, yet we continue to see he does so with a DOUBLE STANDARD. White rock-n-roll is praised while blacks like Michael Jackson are shredded to pieces. You wanna see blacks in modern day slavery who know their place? Go to Bethany, LOL. They know what will happen if they step out of line, again, in Joel’s own words “Can you say Big Mike….Beatdown!”.

Say Massa Joel Is Annointed Boy....Say It!! Say It!! He's Good White Folks!! Say It!!

Say Massa Joel Is Annointed Boy....Say It!! Say It!! He's Good White Folks!! Say It!!

y’all continue to swallow this poison and stay in your place or else….BIG MIKE will put you there!

Melissa Stockstill, European Royalty Thursday, Mar 12 2009 

GREETINGS IN THE NAME OF CHRIST JESUS OUR ONLY EXAMPLE AND SAVIOR

 

     I’m continued to be amazed at what the Stockstill’s get away with and how their lifestyles compare with those of their congregation. It’s clear why Larry Stockstill continues to advertise his Prosperity Gospel book, The Laws of Increase and claim that 2Sam.24:24 is about Capital Campaign which shows his members should give “over and beyond” their means.

 

royalty

 

Melissa Stockstill is another child of Larry Stockstill who the poor black congregation of Baker has put through college with their tithes/offerings. Melissa Stockstill showed up in December with so called “Royalty from London” to play a duet of Harps(CLICK HERE). On the video Melissa Stockstill informs the interviewer that she:

  1. Started Playing The Harp At Four Years Old(what were you doing in the hood at four years old?)
  2. Was Taught By An L.S.U. Teacher
  3. When asked If She Travels Often, “Yes, I do”(Didn’t Larry Stockstill instruct via his 20/20 vision program for your families to make sacrifices. Why isn’t his family making sacrifices?)
  4. She further admits she’s traveled to London “8 to 9 times within a year and half“!!  I’ve never known any of the poor black residents of Baker to have this privilege. I’m sure this LiL Sarah Palin is thankful for your tithes/offerings/sacrifices.

 After graduating from LSU (on the backs of those who will never see college) she moved to London to attend the Royal Academy of Music.

 

Question: How many children of Baker, La. have had these oppurtunities? Has Bethany supported your college tuition and traveling fees and Royal Music Lessons overseas??!! How many of your children have been able to TOUCH much less play a PRICELESS GOLDEN HARP?(READ HERE)

 

Melissa Stockstill is never seen with any of the Black members of Bethany, Why? She’s strictly European! This “Royalty” even copyrights her images. Visit her pics on Virb.Com and you’ll see she definitely doesn’t hold to the conservative views of her father. She shows a lot of skin(click here, I couldn’t post the pic here because she actually purchased to have them coyprighted). It reminds me of Sarah Palin and her daughter.

 

After checking the demographics of Baker, Louisiana, I see why The “SOUTH CAMPUS” WAS CHOSEN AND NOT THE ONE IN BAKER, LOUISIANA. Baker was not good enough to the Stockstill’s to host this ROYAL HARPIST. They didn’t want to be embarassed by the poverty and have this Royal European see its citizens. Instead the predominately white congregation at the North Campus hosted this event. Contrast or compare these demographics OF BAKER, LA. with the easy life of the Stockstills’ children(who must be that 2.4% below)

  1. Only 2.4% get to college(That must be the Stockstill’s children)
  2. Of that 2.4% that go to college ONLY 9% get their Bachelor Degree
  3. of that 2.4% ONLY 5.8% get a graduate degree
  4. The HOUSEHOLD income was only $38,500(remember the whole house income not one parent)

 

 

 

Melissa Stockstill, graduate of LSU, Royal Harpist

Melissa Stockstill, graduate of LSU, Royal Harpist. A very privilege many Baker, Louisiana children don't have. However, if your daddy convinces his congregation they have to make sacrifices and "give over and beyond", you can travel abroad and go to the best schools on the backs of the poor.

 

It amazes me how ministers claim to be Non-profit during tax time, yet their family members enjoy personal enrichment.  Again, hey Baker Louisiana have your kids:

 

  1. Gradauted from LSU
  2. Westminster

 

Oooh, that’s right you guys have to obey Larry Stockstill and submit to his 20/20 Vision program where you’re told to do the opposite of his kids(Joel&Melissa). He tells you in 20/20 Vision to(click here for original website rules for YOU and YOUR FAMILY:

 

1. Practice priority budgeting.
 

Many families choose to rearrange their priorities and give up something in their current budgets in order to give more to a capital campaign. Priority budgeting may mean postponing a planned expenditure for such things as a new car, vacation, home remodeling, or other major expenditure. Many Christians giving to capital stewardship campaigns find the means to give through sacrificial commitments made in faith and coupled with priority budgeting.

 

(It’s interesting how he says many families choose to “give up something” while his kids travel the world and graduate from universities, shopping sprees in West Palm Beach, Music Lessons in London)

 
..2. Redirect present expenditures.
 

Often families have significant short-term expenditures for special needs that can be redirected towards the capital campaign after the short-term obligations are met. For example, a family realized that their daughters would be graduating from college during the last two years of the capital campaign, and consequently, they were able to increase their commitment by thousands of dollars in the second and third years simply by redirecting what they had been spending on their daughters’ tuition. Another example of redirecting expenditures would be committing cash flow that becomes available after a loan is repaid.

 

(DOES LARRY STOCKSTILL NOT HAVE MERCY??!!  IF ANYONE BLACK CITIZEN IS LUCKY ENOUGH TO ENTER COLLEGE, HE SUGGESTS YOU CONTINUE THOSE PAYMENTS TO HIS CAPITAL CAMPAIGN??!!)

 
..3. Increase giving with increased income.
 

Some people receive periodic increases in salary or bonuses from their employers. The temptation for many of us is to increase our lifestyle to fit the higher income. In many instances, families have decided that they will commit the full amount of salary increases to the capital campaign.

 

(DOES LARRY STOCKSTILL NOT REALIZE THESE INCREASES ARE NEEDED. IT’S NOT A “TEMPTATION” IT’S A NEED. IT’S ALSO AMAZING HOW HIS CHILDREN LIVE ROYALLY WHILE HE PLACES THESE RULES ON THE CONGREGATION)

 
..4. Give from your excess.
 

Some people have valuable possessions at their disposal. One young man decided that two of his collectors’ baseball cards worth over $20,000 would be the most appropriate means of sacrifice for his family. Other people save money over a period of years for a special project. For example, a couple had saved $80,000 to build a lake cabin. When their church entered a capital stewardship campaign, they decided the needs of the church were greater than their need for a second home.

 

(WOW, HE SAYS “OTHER PEOPLE SAVE MONEY”. UUUH, YEAH. IT’S CALLED RETIRMENT!! WHO ARE THESE MYSTERIOUS PEOPLE WHO GAVE UP THEIR LIVES FOR THE STOCKSTILL’S CHILDREN TO LIVE ROAYALLY??!!)

 
..5. Commit unexpected cash.
 

Often people pray for God to show them a way they can give beyond what they presently see or afford. Sometimes the answers come unexpectedly. A couple had been praying for weeks about their commitment to their church’s capital campaign. Much to their surprise, they received an inheritance of several thousand dollars. They gave the entire amount to their church as part of their three-year commitment, in addition to a commitment from their regular income.

 

(YOU TOOK A COUPLES INHERITANCE  IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY WERE ALREADY GIVING??!! HOW DID YOU CONVINCE THEM? MAN, YOU COULD SELL ICE TO AN ESKIMO. I KNOW YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT AND T.V. STATION, BUT HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF SELLING USED CARS? YOU WOULD MAKE A KILLING!! I GUESS THAT’S WHY I’M NOT A TELEVANGELIST, BECAUSE MY CONSCIENCE WOULDN’T ALLOW ME TO TAKE THESE GIFTS MUCH LESS POST THESE SUGGESTIONS.  I’M SURE TEH STOCKSTILL KIDS ARE LOVING THE GIFTS, LOL)

 

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..6. Sacrifice extra time.
 

Some family members have extra time they would be willing to use in a part-time job to enable them to give more to the church. This is particularly true for families whose children are grown and away from home and for semiretired or retired couples. In one situation, a man was in the process of retiring when his church entered a capital campaign. He and his wife secured new jobs and gave the first three years of their retirement income to the capital campaign.

 

(WOW, MOST FAMILY MEMBERS GET A SECOND JOB TO HELP OUT WITH BILLS. LARRY STOCKSTILL WANTS THAT MONEY TOO. HE EVEN WANTS THE ELDERLY WHO’S KIDS ARE GONE TO GET A PART TIME JOB AND GIVE HIM ALL THEIR INCOME, LOL, THAT’S BOLD!!)

 
..7. Donate appreciated assets.
 

Many people own stocks that are worth significantly more than the original purchase price. That is good news. The bad news is that if these stocks are sold, a significant portion of the gain will be lost to taxation. Gifts of appreciated assets typically, investment securities or real estate—can be very advantageous to both the donor and the church. By transferring ownership of the asset to the church, the donor avoids income taxes on the sale of the asset. In addition, the donor receives an income tax deduction for the full market value of the asset. That, in effect, renders the gift less costly to make.

 

(YES, THESE STOCKS ARE USUALLY PART OF A 401K RETIRMENT PLAN, GOODNESS LARRY, HAVE MERCY!!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 If Larry Stockstill wanted to truly pay off bills, he should have practiced what he preached to the people instead of sending his Melissa through college, overseas to study, and travel Europe on motorcycles OR shopping sprees in West Palm Beach while the city is helping citizens after a major hurricane!?

Oh that’s right, it’s not their job, IT’S YOUR JOB church member!! Please…continue to give over and beyond(stocks, pay raises, heirlooms, inheritance,  college tuition).

 

Joel The Perfect Prophet or Profit? Wednesday, Mar 11 2009 

Peace Be Upon You In The Name of Christ Jesus,

 

Well,  it’s obvious that Joel Stockstill has regained his authority after a failed coup d’etat by supporters of President Barack Obama.  This remnant was successfully divided and conquered; they either fled Bethany(House of Poverty/Misery) or  begged for the forgiveness of the Stockstills.

 

NOW THAT JOEL has regained his power, he restored himself as head teacher and “hearing from the LORD” again. As we know from the death of Amy Stockstill, his wife,  Joel’s prophecy has a 50/50 chance of becoming true. Unfortunately, a man of God who claims to hear God’s voice and exhorts the congregation to obey him HAS TO BE 100 PERCENT CORRECT. This is not a guessing game like the con-artists who sit in front of crystal balls or those televangelists on T.B.N.

 

 Joel even “sounds the trumpet” on his website that he is a “PROPHETIC VOICE TO THIS GENERATION“. Check out the graphic in the upper right hand corner of his blog, talking about vain. These self proclaimed half-right prophets are an embarassment to the Church.

 

MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE MANY(MT.24:11)

MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE MANY(MT.24:11)

 

 However, he’s no different than his father who prophecies about seeing  GOD opening a temporary “WINDOW OF OPPURTUNITY FOR REPENTANCE”. for the Churches. What Larry Stockstill fails to realise it’s not the Churches of America, IT’S HIS DENOMINATION(Neo-Charismatic/Charismatic)!! Ihighly recommend you PROTECT YOUR FAMILY from these Charismatic Cults. Don’t get defensive, check out the references from these Pastors who have been sounding the alarm about the Charismatics before Larry Stockstill’s “dream”  for repentance.

 

FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND PERFROM GREAT SIGNS AND MIRACLES TO DECEIVE EVEN THE ELECT, IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE(MT.24:24)

FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND PERFROM GREAT SIGNS AND MIRACLES TO DECEIVE EVEN THE ELECT, IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE(MT.24:24)

   ORIGINAL LINK HERE TO “SIGNS AND WONDER CAMP“. As you can see “The Remnant” cry is nothing new, just like I showed with Larry’s 20/20 Vision program the Charismatic Denomination just passes on their money making scams to the next preacher. Joel is the second profile in the article.

 If the  Senior Pastor of Bethany has been wrong with it’s messages and prophecies, WHY SHOULD I NOW BELIEVE YOU ARE RECEIVING A MESSAGE FROM GOD??!!  Larry Stockstill is just like his son, A FALSE PROPHET!! He admits to the church being the problem and need for repentance but NEVER GAVE THIS GRACE TO TED HAGGARD but banished him. Yet, when Larry’s the problem he calls for everyone to gather around him and believe his prophecies/dreams. FALSE PROPHETS HAVE ARRIVED!!  It was in plain site. They waited until they got many people to become members and then proclaim themselves Prophets, LOL. Y’all slick!! And just in time for his book, The Remnant. If God is truly showing Larry Stockstill Judgment Day on America, WHY IS HE VACATIONING IN NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN GREECE??!! He claims Pastors are the problem because they’re carrying on as normal, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!! Get off vacation!

 

Joel’s statement is interesting because before stating what “The Lord says” he first let’s his congregation know that he’s turning thirty(30) on March 12, 2009. He correlates his age(30) with PERFECTION and snags proof-texts out the bible. Joel from his proof-texts goes on to call this Birth Day celebration a “…VERY SPIRITUAL MILESTONE”. 

 

The problem is found in his next statement which is the basis of both his and his father’s(Larry Stockstill’s) rule for dishonest bible study EVERYTIME  they open that Holy Book,i.e., “WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, WE SEE THAT….”.  This is a huge problem with the Stockstills and a major violation for any exegete. You can make the Scriptures say anything you want, “WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL….”. The verses he yanks out of context are not didactic passages on the number thirty(30) as proof  this number is associated with perfection. In fact, in the Jewish context of Christ it’s the number seven that is associated with perfection!! I’ll save that study for the bottom but first let’s look at Joel’s supposed evidence that his turning 30 is perfection and/or a very spiritual milestone.

  1. (Joel)-JESUS STARTED HIS EARTHLY MINISTRY AT 30.

FALSE: Christ did not start his ministry “AT” age 30 but APPROXIMATELY/ABOUT age 30, it’s an estimate not an exact. Luke 3:23 is the closest evidence we have for guessing Christ’s age when He began his ministry. Here’s the verse:

 

  23     JESUS,   WHEN   HE   BEGAN   HIS   MINISTRY,   WAS   ABOUT   THIRTY   YEARS
      Καὶ1   Ἰησοῦς4   5   αὐτὸς2   ἀρχόμενος5       ἦν3   ὡσεὶ6   τριάκοντα8   ἐτῶν7
      Kai   Iēsous       autos   archomenos           ēn   hōsei   triakonta   etōn
      C   NNSM       PPNSM   VPNSMPD           VF3SIIA   T   MGPN   NGPN
      2532   2424       846   756           1510   5616   5144   2094
  OF   AGE,   BEING   THE   SON   (AS   WAS   SUPPOSED)   OF   JOSEPH,   THE   SON   OF   HELI,  
      ὢν9     υἱός10   ὡς11     ἐνομίζετο12     Ἰωσὴφ13   τοῦ14       Ἠλὶ15  
          ōn       huios   hōs       enomizeto       Iōsēph   tou           Ēli  
          VPNSMPA       NNSM   T       VF3SIID|VF3SIIP       NGSM   RGSM           NGSM  
          1510       5207   5613       3543       2501   3588           2242  
Schwandt, J., & Collins, C. J. (2006; 2006). The ESV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear New Testament (Lk 3:23). Logos Research Systems, Inc.
I supplied an interlinear version to show you the greek text along with it’s English version. Please take notice TO THE DETAILS which Joel and his daddy love to leave out!! The greek word that “HOSEI” modifies “TRIAKONTA ETON(30YEARS). The original author is informing us that he is not sure of the EXACT AGE OF CHRIST but that Christ was “HOSEI(ABOUT)” 30.
The author of the Gospel of Luke uses this approximating again at LUKE 9:14-
  14   For   there   were   about   five   thousand   men.   And   he   said   to   his  
      γὰρ2     ἦσαν1   ὡσεὶ3     πεντακισχίλιοι5   ἄνδρες4   δὲ7     εἶπεν6   πρὸς8   αὐτοῦ11  
      gar       ēsan   hōsei       pentakischilioi   andres   de       eipen   pros   autou  
      T       VF3PIIA   T       MNPM   NNPM   C       VF3S2IA   EA   PPGSM  
      1063       1510   5616       4000   435   1161       3004   4314   846  
disciples,   “Have   them   sit   down   in   groups   of   about  
τοὺς9 μαθητὰς10   12   αὐτοὺς13   κατακλίνατε12       κλισίας14   17   ὡσεὶ15  
tous mathētas       autous   kataklinate           klisias       hōsei  
RAPMNAPM       PPAPM   VF2PAVA           NAPF       T  
35883101       846   2625           2828       5616  
fifty   each.”  
πεντήκοντα17   ἀνὰ16  
pentēkonta   ana  
MAPN   EA|D  
4004   303  

Schwandt, J., & Collins, C. J. (2006; 2006). The ESV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear New Testament (Lk 9:14). Logos Research Systems, Inc.

 

 

The original gospel’s author is approximating again. The author is not saying he was present during this feeding!! In fact we are not sure who the author of this Gospel is. The name Luke was placed on this gospel because a second century document called the MURATORIAN CANON did so. FURTHERMORE, the author approximates because he is NOT AN EYEWITNESS but rather went and “investigated(LUKE 1:3)” everything so that a person by the name of THEOPHILUS would know about what the actual EYEWITNESSES passed on to him. As a result, Luke gives numbers and dates as “about” and not exactly.

So for Joel we see how cults have successfully con the naive out of money (as Larry Stockstill did with 2Sam.24:24 calling it a Capital Campaign) and how THEY CLAIM TO BE PERFECT (though have a history of failed prophecies like Amy’s death). It’s because they leave out the details while inserting their LIES!!! Like Hank Hangergraaf at the Christian Research Institute says about Televangelists, “They use the skin of truth and stuff it full of lies!!”. See his articles at WWW.EQUIP.ORG

This is not a teaching passage on the number thrity. Joel you are abusing the Holy Scriptures to exhalt your minsitry to “perfection”. Luke is not intending to show the number 30 to be an exact number of perfection. This is merely a NARRATIVE that informs the reader “…WAS ABOUT THIRTY”. The context and the author betrays your suggestion about the number thirty.

As far as your equating David’s age at the time he became King of Judah, nothing in the immediate context suggests that perfection was involved. In fact, David was chosen and annointed at a much younger age, He slew Goliath at a younger age, so……?? In the mind of a Hebrew(which Christ came as and King David is) the number SEVEN is associated with perfection NOT THIRTY. As Easton’s Bible Dictionary  THAT THE  APPEARANCES OF THE NUMBER SEVEN  “…sufficiently prove the importance of this sacred number”.

If I used the eisegesis of The Stockstill’s, that would mean that since Christ was betrayed with 30 pieces of silver, it proves that Joel will further betray his congregation when he turns 30. That would be ridiculous just as Joel’s 30 of perfection is dubious.

OR

Again, using Joel’s rules for bible study one would be allowed at teaching since Ezekiel(1:1) was exiled in the 30th. year it means that Joel’s congregation will finally exile him to Babylon.  If the age of 30 was that significant Joel shouldn’t have been a minister until age 30!!  According to his preaching about age 30, this means he’s been out of the will of God, jumping into ministry to early.

As the economy gets worse and the church becoming a laughing stock due to it’s leaders receiving gifts, watch how the leaders of 220 lavish their Prophet for his birthday. Which member of the congregation was ever granted such gifts as this?

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  1. Official Kobe Bryant Jersey
  2. Courtside Tickets to Lakers vs. Spurs Game
  3. Roundtrip Plane Tickets to San Antonio
  4. The same for “Jonathan and Jared”
  5. A Brand New Fully Loaded Honda Four-Wheeler

    Wow, I remember driving through Baker, La. lastweek and was saddened at the poverty these Christians are forced to live in while their perfected prophet at 30 gets the royal treatment after abandoning them during Gustav for West Palm Beach!!!  Also, it’s amazing how absolutely Bethany didn’t honor any Civil Rights Leader during Black History Month but these folks lavished their deity(Joel) with gifts.

  

JOEL, ADONAI WILL TAKE HIS REVENGE ON YOU AND YOUR LEADERS!! YOU NEED TO WAKE UP!! YOUR LEADERS ARE WRONG FOR TAKING MONEY FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS FOR YOUR PERSONAL ENRICHMENT!! YOU LEADERS SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR COERCING THESE KIDS!!

It shouldn’t suprise us, we see how Jordan Jopling lies for him. In my other article, Jordan Jopling, Liar, Liar, I showed how he clearly fabricated the reason for Joel having to vacation in West Palm Beach while everyone else was struggling during Gustav. Now Jordan Jopling takes the offensive instead of  reacting to possible negative comments. He has clearly learned from the past incidents at Bethany. Jordan rationalizes the material gifts that Joel received with the weak cause….

 

(What follows must be read with the understanding that Pastor Joel is a huge basketball, NBA, and Lakers fan:-).)

 

So I guess all of these “GIFTS”(as Prosperity Televangelists call them) are okay. Thanks Jordan, it was also good to see you standing there in agreement.  I can’t believe y’all actually put this on the W.W.W. much less video. I’m so glad GOD woke me up. This is exactly what went on. 

If you listened carefully, the M.C. introducing Joel’s perfect prophet at 30 B-Day Bash, informs the teens at the 36second mark THAT THEIR monies was redirect to Joel’s B-Day Bash. That’s actually a crime. Donations such as offerings & tithes are not to be used for personal enrichment. After hyping up the crowd the M.C. holding the microphone informs the teens:

 

“(starting at 36 second mark) WHAT YOU GUYS DON’T KNOW is that …

  1. Pastor Joel’s Birthday is next Thursday, March 12
  2. He turns 30 years old
  3. And he’s gonna watch the Lakers play in his jersey
  4. YOU BOUGHT HIM

 

Okay did anybody catch that last phrase about what they “DON’T KNOW”??!! Again, “YOU BOUGHT…”. LOL, boy they are slick. They pump the crowd up and slide in the purchase they didn’t know they spent their money on.

Jordan Jopling of Bethany, LIAR, LIAR!! Monday, Dec 22 2008 

     Jordan Jopling , who works with Joel Stockstill’s 220U, has recently felt the need to respond personally to me,Ovadyah, to defend Gov. Sarah Palin and Joel Stockstill. I’ll place his entire response unedited and respond below it. As many of us have already seen, it’s done more damage than damage control. Oh, when will they learn!!  Jordan Jopling thinks we’re all ignorant not realizing that the modern day racist speak in “code words” and WAS RECENTLY UPHELD IN A COURT OF LAW AS ADMISSABLE EVIDENCE.

 

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Ovadyah,

You are seriously mixing up facts.

1) Joel Stockstill never has been and is not a racist. Those that accuse him of this only expose themselves as not knowing him or his family AT ALL.

2) Sarah Palin is outspoken about her Christian faith (as is Obama). The reason that the Church in America is behind her is that her history confirms this. Unlike Barak Obama, she does attend a Spirit-filled church  and the people she is associated with in Alaska back up her Christian lifestyle.

3) The accusations about Palin’s knowledge of Africa came out AFTER the election, Fox News said they wished they would have known, and Palin denied the accusations. All of this is on the video you link to, so please watch closely.

4) The Kim Clement prophecy you and Pastor Joel refers to does in fact claim that a vice presidential CANDIDATE…would shake things up. Did that not happen with Palin. Seems like the prophecy was fulfilled. Again, your own link supports this.

…would shake things up. Did that not happen with Palin. Seems like the prophecy was fulfilled. Again, your own link supports this.

5) Last, but most importantly: Pastor Joel went to West Palm Beach during the hurricane because he has kidney failure and must be on dialysis 3 times a week. Baton Rouge was without power for a week in most areas. He has a friend that lives there and stayed with them.

Please look at things objectively. When you interpret things based on a conclusion that you want, you will never see truth. You’re hurting yourself and everyone you lie to about these things.

 

 

Peace And Grace To You Jordan Jopling,

                                                           Upon reading your entire e-mail I was reminded of how Sen.John McCain(R) had to constantly remove Gov.Sarah Palin’s foot from her mouth when she attempted to conduct interviews without supervision.  She attempted to be a big girl and turned into a big embarassment for women across America and Sen.John’s campaign. As a result, John McCain felt the need to start sitting-in these interviews and interjecting before Sarah could further embarrass the Republican Campaign and cause Republicans to start jumping-ship and making an exodus towards PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA.

 

     In other words, You’re Joel Stockstill’s John McCain and Joel is of course your Sarah Palin, constantly putting his foot in his mouth and embarrassing his father’s Campaigns. Bethany now sees an exodous of their biggest financial supporters(African-americans) returning to their own churches from which Bethany seduced them from. I will respond to your claims in the same order as you numbered them. But first realize, that we’re not ignorant we know the racist CODE WORDS.  Even the courts of law recognize that the new racist speak in code.  Haven’t you seen the code that the N.Y. Time spoke in when they were clearly calling President Obama a monkey in their cartoon!?

 

I GUESS THIS IS NOT RACIST EITHER HUH JORDAN?

I GUESS THIS IS NOT RACIST EITHER HUH JORDAN?

 

1.)You claim that Joel Stockstill is not a racist yet he never extended the same courtesy and praise to PRESIDENT-ELECT Barack Obama which he blindly gave to Sarah Palin. Joel Stockstill emulates the new racist. They provide one standard for whites and another standard for African-Americans. Joel NEVER gave us any negative concerns about Sarah Palin; Joel never exposed Sarah Palin’s questionable company but never had a problem with whipping the backs of the black folks(Jesse Jackson, Oprah Winfrey) with his berating tongue who supported PRESIDENT-ELECT Barack Obama.Why not do the same with the questionable folks who supported Palin and McCain?! This is the same characteristics of the new racists,i.e., a double standard for blacks.  We fell for those tactics with Bush and Govenor Foster but NO MORE, AMEN!!  Bush is the biggest joke to ever land in the White House. If Joel’s not a racist he’s definitely adopted and simulated their behavior during THIS presidential campaign. Walk like a duck, talk like a duck, he’s a duck. Oh yeah, I’ve noticed all of the rewriting Joel has been doing to his blog entries. Will this fool the black majority? Probally, sad but probally. I know of many who deify the Stockstills.

Remember when Tiger Woods entered golf and the racist comment made by his colleage. The other whites came to his defense and stated the same thing your’re saying, “You just have to know him, he’s not a racist”. It seems everytime a white gets caught in such a bind their “brothers” come with the exact same defense, “You’ve got to to know him”. We minorities know that double standard!! We know the code words!! We know the berating words!! We know when LSU hangs that REBEL FLAG, they’re racist!! Depsite folks stating, “You just don’t understand us” or “it shows you just don’t know us”, we are just expressing southern pride. These are the signs/symptoms you ignore. I don’t blame you for your ignorance. Everyday minorities encounter certain phrases and quips by whites that set off alarms in their heads. It’s not until they get home from work that they call their fellow and state, “You won’t believe what so-and-so said today” and when it gets out…here comes that white guy with, “You just have to understand so-and-so he’s just old-school or you just gotta know him”. It makes us sick!!

 

Another example is his dad’s, Larry Stockstill’s blog entry about “THIS PRESIDENT “is another sign/symptom. Larry calls President Obama, “THIS PRESIDENT….”  AND NOT  “Our President” but a demeaning “THIS PRESIDENT“.We know YOU and we know JOEL. “THIS PRESIDENT”??!! At Southern University and black churches that statement says a lot and is similar to the other racist in Louisiana. Larry has claims in his blog maybe racial strife is coming to an end??!! Obviously not Bethany! He claims many whites voted for President Barack and claims to have rejoiced over this as proof that racism is coming to an end. WOW…Now he wants to praise President Barack, LOL! It was clear during the campaigns who He was voting for and it’s clear from his description of PRESIDENT BARACK as “THIS PRESIDENT” and not “OUR PRESIDENT” that shows his concealed prejudice, it just kills Larry Stockstill to say, “OUR PRESIDENT”.

There have been many half-truths about whites voting for Pres. Barack. Yes, many voted for this black man, however, THE MAJORITY DID NOT!! Despite the record breaking number of Black registrered voters, the white vote won Louisiana for McCain and Palin. What side was Joel on? The majority of black folks in his church or did he stick with his skin clan? It’s amazing how this white kid is leading our black elders.

 

  • How did they get so seduced from their churches??!!
  • How did our black leaders give up their STRUGGLE for freedom from white authority and later submit to white authority(Stockstills)??!!
  • How did Bethany trick our elders not to support President Barack??!!
  • How did our small family churches become empty and the Stockstills’ fill up?
  • How did our people abandon their historical civil rights churches for the Stockstill’s authority??!!
  • How did we stop supporting historic churches for new-age occultic experiences??!!
  • How did we become embarassed of our roots??!!

 

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       It’s important to examine what Larry says about the racial divide. He made the claim that whites voting for Barack is proof that racial tension is healing. So would it not be logical that those who didn’t vote for Barack prove just the opposite? So with that in mind….

 

It’s clear the whites at Bethany who didn’t give President Barack their vote are not part of Larry Stockstill’s proof that whites voting for Pres. Barack shows racial healing. I would agree with Larry Stockstill that whites voting for a black President shows that some are healing that racial divide and are fulfilling Martin Luther’s dream that they didn’t see the color of his skin. It also brought out what was hidden under Bethany’s skin. Yes, Larry Stockstill is attempting to praise Pres. Barack ,NOW, BUT DID EVERYTHING IN HIS STRENGTH DURING THE ELECTION(with Joel’s support) TO ENSURE BARACK WOULD NOT BECOME OUR PRESIDENT. But now that his man lost and Joel’s black congregation is disgruntled about their comments, the Stockstill’s are attempting to seduce them back under THEIR authority and keep their fore-fathers churches empty.

 

     Furthermore, to elucidate how the WHITES OF LOUISIANA voted I guide you to the research by New Orleans Newspaper, The Times Picayune.  Even without their research it was clear that LOUISIANA WHITES WERE NOT GOING TO SUBMIT TO A BLACK PRESIDENT, yet blacks elders submit to a white kid(Joel Stockstill).  The article is archived at nola.com click here to access it, it also contains a visual map of the breakdown. Again, which side was Joel on. Here is a concise quote of their research:

 

 

“However, while Obama was improving on Kerry’s performance in most states — including such critical battlegrounds as Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and North Carolina — he did worse than Kerry among white voters in a handful of states — ESPECIALLY Alabama, Mississippi and LOUISIANA.”

 

AND THEN THEY SADLY CONCLUDED

 

“They[LOUISIANA, ALAMBAMA,MISSISSIPPI] are moving contrary to the rest of the country,” said Bositis, who said Obama’s race — and the historic pattern of racially polarized voting in these states — seemed the most obvious reason.”

 

 

2.)Gov.Sarah Palin wasn’t outspoken about her Christian faith, she constantly referred to herself as a “MAVERICK”, I rarely heard Jesus or Scriputre or Praying and turned her campaigns to small white towns as the “real americans”. Furthermore the “Church of America” was not behind Sarah Palin, it was the WHITE CHURCH that was behind Sarah Palin,. 

 

     There goes that double standard again, you stated unlike Barack Obama’s Church Sarah Palin’s is “Spirit-Filled”. If a church doesn’t have the Holy Spirit then it’s logical to conclude it isn’t Christian; You can’t be saved unless you’re Spirit-Filled. What a judgement you’ve made against our President!! I’ve seen the hostile whites at McCain’s campaigns, even Sen. John. McCain had to ease white voters because they scaring off a lot of minority voters. Yet, nobody at Bethany’s blogs pointed out those white-pride Christians! Nobody at Bethany rebuked Palin for her shopping spree of $150,000.00 during a terrible economy. That didn’t show good stewardship. Why the double standard??!!

We know that our church leaders prayed over President Barack.  So I guess these blacks elders fall under your double standard of not being “Spirit-Filled”. It’s a beautiful picture of blacks not falling prey to white intimidation. I feel sorry for the blacks in Bethany’s 220SU. Brothers and Sisters view the pic’ in the link below, my family actually placed this above our fireplace encased with the American Flag. I know JORDAN JOPLING  how you feel about the black church. You clearly stated it above(#2)Unlike Barak Obama, she does attend a Spirit-filled church”.

 

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SPIRIT FILLED ELDERS PRAYING FOR PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA

 

3.)O.K. there’s not much too say about Number-3….OF COURSE Gov. Palin is going to deny it. She also claim that she read many magazines on the economy and couldn’t name one. She responded to Katie Kouric with “Oooh I read the ones put before me“, “Oooh I read lot’s of em”, LOL!! Again, not much to say about her truthfulness. That was hillarious. What a Spirit-filled woman! She was spirit-filled(not Holy Spirit) and spoke with lying tongues.

 

 

4.)Sarah Palin didn’t shake things up!! Not unless you mean she shook things up so hard their campaign deteriorated and caused Republicans to vote for Pres. Barack(Gen.C.Powell and Armstrong Williams)Yeah in that case she shook things up allright! Plus, anyone can make vague prophecies like that and they do, it’s big business cause their are so many gullible customers. However, my definition of shaking things up would’ve been a win not a huge loss!! Even John McCain says he sees more qualified people than Sarah Palin who he hill support for the 2012 Presidency. If she was part of Prophecy it’s definitely not the one by Kim Clement. Gov. Sarah was a panicked reaction when the whites saw President Barack had a chance to win even without Hillary Clinton as Vice President. Furthermore, not one Stockstill blogged, revealed, or rebuked Sarah Palin’s daughter(Bristol Palin) for SEX OUT OF MARRIAGE and a BABY OUT OF WEDLOCK!! Instead they continued focusing on Barack Obama! Bristol Palin gave birth to her child AND STILL REMAINS UNMARRIED!! What bias you and the Stockstills have!

 

 

5.)You’re definitely doing damage control on this one, LOL. Nowhere in his post does JOEL STOCKSTILL even hint that he had to travel to one of the most expensive and richer city in the U.S. FOR “DIALYSIS” or that he stayed with a friend in West Palm Beach. In his blog entry he clearly states it was “Hot and sticky” in Baton Rouge and when he arrived in West Palm Beach it was nice to get “A.C.” Or in his own words….

 

 

“NOTHING WORSE THAN NO AC!”

 

     If his dialysis treatments were that effected, he sure didn’t complain about it or seek treatment in Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, or the very close pan-handle of Florida. I’m sure there were no immediate areas for this Prosperity Preacher but “West Palm Beach” where the average single family home in 2007 was $396,000.00. For someone who constantly blogs about his health he definitely didn’t this time. In his words, “NOTHING WORSE THAN NO AC!”.

 

     Futhermore, I know people who are treated at the same facility(one is a family member who needs to stop smoking, yeah I went there on ya, LOL) and they were directed to alternate sites that were IMMEDIATELY restored. On top of that, anyone listening to the news knows that even the surrounding neighborhoods of hospitals recieved electricity. I’m also sure none of the surrounding parishes were able to take him. It’s ironic how my family member who receives the same number of treatments per week was able to remain in Louisiana and get treatment. I’m going to interview more patients and see how far they had to travel, I’m sure they couldn’t travel to West Palm Beach.

 

     Finally, he makes no mention of thanks to his “friend in West Palm Beach” for allowing him to stay in their West Palm Beach House. HOWEVER, he does state that some friends came down to visit him and join in the $hopping $pree$!! It would make more sense to thank his “friend” in West Palm Beach for allowing him to stay at his house. If he stayed with his friends in Orlando, Joel wouldn’t have said they “came down” to visit him and join in the $hopping $pree$. These friends had to travel from Orlando to West Palm Beach which is approximately 170.97 MILES which is about 2HOURS AND 42 MINUTES. Yeah but he stayed with them, SHAME ON YOU JORDAN!! Like my momma says, “TELL THE TRUTH AND SHAME THE DEVIL”.

 

“Today I had the opportunity to hang out with my good friends Jonathan and Christina Miller, who came down from Orlando. We preceded to hit EVERY MALL IN THE AREA and do some major damage of our own!”

 

     Hmmmm, sound like they were visiting his AC not vice-versa. But keep attempting to clean up behind your Sarah Palin everytime he puts his foot in his mouth! From the above evidence you clearly need to learn objectivity and stop with the damage control. Just repent and move on. Sarah Palin failed, Joel hated being without AC, and Obama is OUR President. I know it disgusts you to see that black face in a high place AND I LOVE IT!! HOW DID IT HAPPEN, huh?! Too bad FOR YOU America isn’t like THE WHITE DIXIE SOUTH!! Amen.

 And yes, I already know what Bethany is going to do to keep their biggest financial contributors(African Americans). They will promote  more black faces in high places(teachers, front pew with more black folks). The sad thing those black faces are not from black places. I’ve read their profiles they didn’t grow in black neighborhoods or went to black schools (high school or college). They’ve allowed the Stockstills to assimilate their culture.

***Please note I will interview my family member and staff at that dialysis center to get exact details concerning Gustav’s effects on their patients. But even without it, we’ve seen you’re Maverick cleanup. Again, I’m sure the other Parishes didn’t have dialysis centers or the surrounding states. It’s ironic how my family member was able to receive treatment here and didn’t have the access to church’s money for travel. I’ve also noticed Joel has added/edited his Palin Part2 blog, LOL. Feeling the heat huh?

False Prophet Kim Clement Wednesday, Nov 26 2008 

This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord(Jer.23:16).

 

“This is what the Lord says– your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners(Is.44:24-25)

 

     Well, now it makes sense why The Stockstill’s at Bethany are so pro-bush! They submit to the prophecies of TBN false prophet, Kim Clement. Kim Clement constantly receives prophecies from God about how a godly man George W. Bush is and how he’s such a prayer warrior.

 

Like Joel and Larry Stockstill, Kim Clement claims to be a biblical prophet. Their prophecies have a 50/50 chance of being fulfilled. The more vague it is, the more probable.

Like Joel and Larry Stockstill, Kim Clement claims to be a biblical prophet. Their prophecies have a 50/50 chance of being fulfilled. The more vague it is, the more probable.

 

 

     I can say false because a prohet who claims to speak on behalf of The Almighty God can not be 50% correct, he must be 100% correct. Why? Because it’s real easy to be correct half of the time and amaze the simple minded. It’s not their correct hypothesis we should hold to but their failed prophecies. Unfortunately, Bethany constantly brings up this False Prophet as a resource and the Stockstill’s words are identical to Kim Clement’s words. Let’s look at one of Kim Clement’s obvious failed prophecy concerning Bush; link also provided for reference:

Tribute to President George W. Bush 
Nov 2, 2004

In honor of President George W. Bush, posted below are a few words of prophetic significance given by Kim, regarding his destiny to lead our Nation. On October 12, 2004 Kim was privileged to personally minister a word to President George W. Bush in Paradise Valley, AZ.
 

October 24, 2004- Humble, TX
“The Spirit of God has announced that, you have looked at candidates for the next four years. I have looked at a man after my own that will pray. I am looking and have searched for a man who would pray in the house called White, and I have found that man. He shall pray. He shall pray sturdily, powerfully, until the year 2006…and a great storm shall rise upon America. But because of the prayers of George W. Bush, I will save this country from a damage and a destruction upon your economy and upon your children.

Yes, you may look at this prophet and say, what would he know about American politics? But I have taken the mantle that rested upon Ronald Reagan in the heart and have placed it upon this man—President Bush. For what purpose? To bring again honor and dignity to the office of the President of the United States of America.

Nations shall come one by one and they will say, we were mistaken. France! France…who once buried the dead of American soldiers because they fought for you. You will repent for what you have done secretly. Three things shall be exposed because of transactions that took place in France and two other nations. And they shall be repentant. And your allies will increase. Four of your enemies shall become allies, and in the Middle East I will raise up honor because of what this Nation has done. Rejoice, for I am raising up laughter and joy upon your Nation.

A record has been broken. A President has broken a record. I see headlines. Impossible! Nothing, nothing, nothing is impossible.

And they are going to say it’s impossible because of what happened in this election and what happened with the President that broke a record. Listen to me. Nothing is impossible to those that believe.”

 

     George W. Bush is a man after God’s own??!! The economy ((((DID collapsed))))), gasoline rose to an all time high, 401k retirement plans lossed thousands of dollars,thousands of jobs were lost, and the United States received a devasting attack by Muslim extremist/terrorists. If this was the result of a George W. Bush’s praying I don’t want him praying for me and my house. What really got me was the “HOUSE OF WHITE”. Uh…that’s about right!

     This prophet claims that God’s mantle was on George W. Bush, “For what purpose? To bring again honor and dignity to the office of the President of the United States of America.” U.S.A. has lost much honor and dignity in the eyes of the world. George W. Bush has made the office of Presidency a joke in the eyes of America’s citizens. Has George W. Bush really fulfilled the false prophet’s purpose because God has exposed this “christian” as a fraud.

     “Nations shall come one by one and they will say, we were mistaken.” and “they shall be repentant“!!?? O.K., Kim Clement needs to test the Spirit(s) that he consults in divination because  the  U.S.A. has received several rebukes not other countries submitting to us in repentance.

 

     Even the black republican & Christian Armstrong Williams commented:

 

Armstrong Williams, an African American conservative and talk radio host who is not an Obamacon but said he might become one: “I’m not going to just blindly go to the polls and vote for someone because they’re a Republican anymore. I wouldn’t have given two cents of thought to this in the past, but fortunately I’m maturing and fortunately for the first time in my life I could vote for a Democrat for president.” Williams refuses to base his vote on race, “however the stain of America is race, human slavery and de jure segregation and no one can ignore the fact that since the founding of this country, only white men have occupied the White House.”

 

    That’s good to hear because I remember living up North and constantly hearing Armstrong’s radio show and how be chastised other minorities for going against the the republicans which he saw as Christian. I agree we can not ignore the facts. In particular, we can not ignore the past 8years and claim George W. Bush is a man after God’s own.

 

One can go on and on about this false prophet who sways toward whoever is in power!! In contradiction to Bush being a man of prayer and a man after God’s own and God will save America BECAUSE OF  the prayers’ of Bush NOW SAYS:

 

 I will bring you out of what they call a recession into your highest economy that you’ve ever had in your next four years, says the Spirit of God.

 

Now remember, during Bush’s reign as Presidency he was supposed to care of America through the power of prayer. But now Kim Clement wants to hop on the Obama band-wagon. I pray that Barack won’t fall for Kim’s tricks and consult his divinations. President Barack(Blessed) please use discernment. It’s a little interesting though despite all the signs and symptoms Kim Clement like Bush fails to call it a recession and maintains “…what THEY CALL a recession….”. It is what it is.

However, He still holds in “prophecy” that Bush will be vindicated by God. It’s not the media it’s the economy that testifies against George W. Bush!! Kim states in his prophecy:

 

Your present President will not leave his office or his term in shame.  There will be a very precise vindication  of numerous things that were scorned, that were mocked by men that thought they knew but understood nothing.  And when the baton is handed over, God said there shall be no fear in the nation.  Now take that and be secure. 

 

 

Kim Clement is a trip. He’s definitely playing both sides of the fence. Kim Clement cites an article where uranium was removed secretely from Iraq as proof that Bush is vindicating for entering Iraq. The problems that arise with this:

 

  1. We’re suppose to be hunting for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan NOT IRAQ
  2. The terrorist responsible for 911 are Al-Queda NOT Iraq’s President
  3. The uranium of Iraq was NOT weapons grade
  4. According to the International Courts, the uranium was legal to possess(however Bush went against them and started his war)

 

And speaking of the war Bush claimed about two years ago the war was a success AND OVER.  Yet go and research as to how many of our children have died since then. Kim Clement’s ‘prophecies” are so broad. There is even one where he attempts to explain away because it never came to pass.  So he says well it could mean this or it could mean that, LOL. and the sheep continue to get fleeced. The ones that do come to pass are so obvious a blind man could have seen these events coming.

 

    In repsonse to the crashing economy, he now claims God told him it’s only for a short time. This is in total contradiction to Bush’s prayers and a Man after God’s own.  The economy with the 2nd. election of George Bush was supposed to great and bring HONOR. This dude is a clown!! Link below to see his revision of prophecy….

 

Dear Warriors,

    I would like to take a moment to encourage you in regards to the present economic crisis.

 

Be careful my people