Joel The Perfect Prophet or Profit? Wednesday, Mar 11 2009 

Peace Be Upon You In The Name of Christ Jesus,

 

Well,  it’s obvious that Joel Stockstill has regained his authority after a failed coup d’etat by supporters of President Barack Obama.  This remnant was successfully divided and conquered; they either fled Bethany(House of Poverty/Misery) or  begged for the forgiveness of the Stockstills.

 

NOW THAT JOEL has regained his power, he restored himself as head teacher and “hearing from the LORD” again. As we know from the death of Amy Stockstill, his wife,  Joel’s prophecy has a 50/50 chance of becoming true. Unfortunately, a man of God who claims to hear God’s voice and exhorts the congregation to obey him HAS TO BE 100 PERCENT CORRECT. This is not a guessing game like the con-artists who sit in front of crystal balls or those televangelists on T.B.N.

 

 Joel even “sounds the trumpet” on his website that he is a “PROPHETIC VOICE TO THIS GENERATION“. Check out the graphic in the upper right hand corner of his blog, talking about vain. These self proclaimed half-right prophets are an embarassment to the Church.

 

MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE MANY(MT.24:11)

MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE MANY(MT.24:11)

 

 However, he’s no different than his father who prophecies about seeing  GOD opening a temporary “WINDOW OF OPPURTUNITY FOR REPENTANCE”. for the Churches. What Larry Stockstill fails to realise it’s not the Churches of America, IT’S HIS DENOMINATION(Neo-Charismatic/Charismatic)!! Ihighly recommend you PROTECT YOUR FAMILY from these Charismatic Cults. Don’t get defensive, check out the references from these Pastors who have been sounding the alarm about the Charismatics before Larry Stockstill’s “dream”  for repentance.

 

FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND PERFROM GREAT SIGNS AND MIRACLES TO DECEIVE EVEN THE ELECT, IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE(MT.24:24)

FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND PERFROM GREAT SIGNS AND MIRACLES TO DECEIVE EVEN THE ELECT, IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE(MT.24:24)

   ORIGINAL LINK HERE TO “SIGNS AND WONDER CAMP“. As you can see “The Remnant” cry is nothing new, just like I showed with Larry’s 20/20 Vision program the Charismatic Denomination just passes on their money making scams to the next preacher. Joel is the second profile in the article.

 If the  Senior Pastor of Bethany has been wrong with it’s messages and prophecies, WHY SHOULD I NOW BELIEVE YOU ARE RECEIVING A MESSAGE FROM GOD??!!  Larry Stockstill is just like his son, A FALSE PROPHET!! He admits to the church being the problem and need for repentance but NEVER GAVE THIS GRACE TO TED HAGGARD but banished him. Yet, when Larry’s the problem he calls for everyone to gather around him and believe his prophecies/dreams. FALSE PROPHETS HAVE ARRIVED!!  It was in plain site. They waited until they got many people to become members and then proclaim themselves Prophets, LOL. Y’all slick!! And just in time for his book, The Remnant. If God is truly showing Larry Stockstill Judgment Day on America, WHY IS HE VACATIONING IN NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN GREECE??!! He claims Pastors are the problem because they’re carrying on as normal, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!! Get off vacation!

 

Joel’s statement is interesting because before stating what “The Lord says” he first let’s his congregation know that he’s turning thirty(30) on March 12, 2009. He correlates his age(30) with PERFECTION and snags proof-texts out the bible. Joel from his proof-texts goes on to call this Birth Day celebration a “…VERY SPIRITUAL MILESTONE”. 

 

The problem is found in his next statement which is the basis of both his and his father’s(Larry Stockstill’s) rule for dishonest bible study EVERYTIME  they open that Holy Book,i.e., “WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, WE SEE THAT….”.  This is a huge problem with the Stockstills and a major violation for any exegete. You can make the Scriptures say anything you want, “WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL….”. The verses he yanks out of context are not didactic passages on the number thirty(30) as proof  this number is associated with perfection. In fact, in the Jewish context of Christ it’s the number seven that is associated with perfection!! I’ll save that study for the bottom but first let’s look at Joel’s supposed evidence that his turning 30 is perfection and/or a very spiritual milestone.

  1. (Joel)-JESUS STARTED HIS EARTHLY MINISTRY AT 30.

FALSE: Christ did not start his ministry “AT” age 30 but APPROXIMATELY/ABOUT age 30, it’s an estimate not an exact. Luke 3:23 is the closest evidence we have for guessing Christ’s age when He began his ministry. Here’s the verse:

 

  23     JESUS,   WHEN   HE   BEGAN   HIS   MINISTRY,   WAS   ABOUT   THIRTY   YEARS
      Καὶ1   Ἰησοῦς4   5   αὐτὸς2   ἀρχόμενος5       ἦν3   ὡσεὶ6   τριάκοντα8   ἐτῶν7
      Kai   Iēsous       autos   archomenos           ēn   hōsei   triakonta   etōn
      C   NNSM       PPNSM   VPNSMPD           VF3SIIA   T   MGPN   NGPN
      2532   2424       846   756           1510   5616   5144   2094
  OF   AGE,   BEING   THE   SON   (AS   WAS   SUPPOSED)   OF   JOSEPH,   THE   SON   OF   HELI,  
      ὢν9     υἱός10   ὡς11     ἐνομίζετο12     Ἰωσὴφ13   τοῦ14       Ἠλὶ15  
          ōn       huios   hōs       enomizeto       Iōsēph   tou           Ēli  
          VPNSMPA       NNSM   T       VF3SIID|VF3SIIP       NGSM   RGSM           NGSM  
          1510       5207   5613       3543       2501   3588           2242  
Schwandt, J., & Collins, C. J. (2006; 2006). The ESV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear New Testament (Lk 3:23). Logos Research Systems, Inc.
I supplied an interlinear version to show you the greek text along with it’s English version. Please take notice TO THE DETAILS which Joel and his daddy love to leave out!! The greek word that “HOSEI” modifies “TRIAKONTA ETON(30YEARS). The original author is informing us that he is not sure of the EXACT AGE OF CHRIST but that Christ was “HOSEI(ABOUT)” 30.
The author of the Gospel of Luke uses this approximating again at LUKE 9:14-
  14   For   there   were   about   five   thousand   men.   And   he   said   to   his  
      γὰρ2     ἦσαν1   ὡσεὶ3     πεντακισχίλιοι5   ἄνδρες4   δὲ7     εἶπεν6   πρὸς8   αὐτοῦ11  
      gar       ēsan   hōsei       pentakischilioi   andres   de       eipen   pros   autou  
      T       VF3PIIA   T       MNPM   NNPM   C       VF3S2IA   EA   PPGSM  
      1063       1510   5616       4000   435   1161       3004   4314   846  
disciples,   “Have   them   sit   down   in   groups   of   about  
τοὺς9 μαθητὰς10   12   αὐτοὺς13   κατακλίνατε12       κλισίας14   17   ὡσεὶ15  
tous mathētas       autous   kataklinate           klisias       hōsei  
RAPMNAPM       PPAPM   VF2PAVA           NAPF       T  
35883101       846   2625           2828       5616  
fifty   each.”  
πεντήκοντα17   ἀνὰ16  
pentēkonta   ana  
MAPN   EA|D  
4004   303  

Schwandt, J., & Collins, C. J. (2006; 2006). The ESV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear New Testament (Lk 9:14). Logos Research Systems, Inc.

 

 

The original gospel’s author is approximating again. The author is not saying he was present during this feeding!! In fact we are not sure who the author of this Gospel is. The name Luke was placed on this gospel because a second century document called the MURATORIAN CANON did so. FURTHERMORE, the author approximates because he is NOT AN EYEWITNESS but rather went and “investigated(LUKE 1:3)” everything so that a person by the name of THEOPHILUS would know about what the actual EYEWITNESSES passed on to him. As a result, Luke gives numbers and dates as “about” and not exactly.

So for Joel we see how cults have successfully con the naive out of money (as Larry Stockstill did with 2Sam.24:24 calling it a Capital Campaign) and how THEY CLAIM TO BE PERFECT (though have a history of failed prophecies like Amy’s death). It’s because they leave out the details while inserting their LIES!!! Like Hank Hangergraaf at the Christian Research Institute says about Televangelists, “They use the skin of truth and stuff it full of lies!!”. See his articles at WWW.EQUIP.ORG

This is not a teaching passage on the number thrity. Joel you are abusing the Holy Scriptures to exhalt your minsitry to “perfection”. Luke is not intending to show the number 30 to be an exact number of perfection. This is merely a NARRATIVE that informs the reader “…WAS ABOUT THIRTY”. The context and the author betrays your suggestion about the number thirty.

As far as your equating David’s age at the time he became King of Judah, nothing in the immediate context suggests that perfection was involved. In fact, David was chosen and annointed at a much younger age, He slew Goliath at a younger age, so……?? In the mind of a Hebrew(which Christ came as and King David is) the number SEVEN is associated with perfection NOT THIRTY. As Easton’s Bible Dictionary  THAT THE  APPEARANCES OF THE NUMBER SEVEN  “…sufficiently prove the importance of this sacred number”.

If I used the eisegesis of The Stockstill’s, that would mean that since Christ was betrayed with 30 pieces of silver, it proves that Joel will further betray his congregation when he turns 30. That would be ridiculous just as Joel’s 30 of perfection is dubious.

OR

Again, using Joel’s rules for bible study one would be allowed at teaching since Ezekiel(1:1) was exiled in the 30th. year it means that Joel’s congregation will finally exile him to Babylon.  If the age of 30 was that significant Joel shouldn’t have been a minister until age 30!!  According to his preaching about age 30, this means he’s been out of the will of God, jumping into ministry to early.

As the economy gets worse and the church becoming a laughing stock due to it’s leaders receiving gifts, watch how the leaders of 220 lavish their Prophet for his birthday. Which member of the congregation was ever granted such gifts as this?

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  1. Official Kobe Bryant Jersey
  2. Courtside Tickets to Lakers vs. Spurs Game
  3. Roundtrip Plane Tickets to San Antonio
  4. The same for “Jonathan and Jared”
  5. A Brand New Fully Loaded Honda Four-Wheeler

    Wow, I remember driving through Baker, La. lastweek and was saddened at the poverty these Christians are forced to live in while their perfected prophet at 30 gets the royal treatment after abandoning them during Gustav for West Palm Beach!!!  Also, it’s amazing how absolutely Bethany didn’t honor any Civil Rights Leader during Black History Month but these folks lavished their deity(Joel) with gifts.

  

JOEL, ADONAI WILL TAKE HIS REVENGE ON YOU AND YOUR LEADERS!! YOU NEED TO WAKE UP!! YOUR LEADERS ARE WRONG FOR TAKING MONEY FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS FOR YOUR PERSONAL ENRICHMENT!! YOU LEADERS SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR COERCING THESE KIDS!!

It shouldn’t suprise us, we see how Jordan Jopling lies for him. In my other article, Jordan Jopling, Liar, Liar, I showed how he clearly fabricated the reason for Joel having to vacation in West Palm Beach while everyone else was struggling during Gustav. Now Jordan Jopling takes the offensive instead of  reacting to possible negative comments. He has clearly learned from the past incidents at Bethany. Jordan rationalizes the material gifts that Joel received with the weak cause….

 

(What follows must be read with the understanding that Pastor Joel is a huge basketball, NBA, and Lakers fan:-).)

 

So I guess all of these “GIFTS”(as Prosperity Televangelists call them) are okay. Thanks Jordan, it was also good to see you standing there in agreement.  I can’t believe y’all actually put this on the W.W.W. much less video. I’m so glad GOD woke me up. This is exactly what went on. 

If you listened carefully, the M.C. introducing Joel’s perfect prophet at 30 B-Day Bash, informs the teens at the 36second mark THAT THEIR monies was redirect to Joel’s B-Day Bash. That’s actually a crime. Donations such as offerings & tithes are not to be used for personal enrichment. After hyping up the crowd the M.C. holding the microphone informs the teens:

 

“(starting at 36 second mark) WHAT YOU GUYS DON’T KNOW is that …

  1. Pastor Joel’s Birthday is next Thursday, March 12
  2. He turns 30 years old
  3. And he’s gonna watch the Lakers play in his jersey
  4. YOU BOUGHT HIM

 

Okay did anybody catch that last phrase about what they “DON’T KNOW”??!! Again, “YOU BOUGHT…”. LOL, boy they are slick. They pump the crowd up and slide in the purchase they didn’t know they spent their money on.

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Bethany’s Encounter Pt.2-Slain In The Spirit Tuesday, Dec 23 2008 

Peace And Grace Upon You, I Pray That The Deceivers Have Not Seduced You From Your Local Churches and Now Have You In Their Grasp. I Pray For Your Safety And Discernment During Bethany’s “Encounters” And That Your Family Won’t Fall Prey To Their Cultic Isolations and Practices!

 

 

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     Hank Hanergraaf of the Christian Research Institute has been sounding the alarm about this dangerous and unbiblical ritual when it appeared in the Pensacola/Brownsville Revival. As we have seen from Charisma Magazine, these cult leaders are a band of traveling con-artist. It’s sad to see Bethany has not only welcomed these men (Steve Hill, David Yonggi Cho,etc.) but have adopted their “weird practices” which Larry Stockstill claimed on his blog to abandon. This occultic ritual was popularized by Prosperity Televangelist Benny Hinn. Click here for one of many episodes.

 

     I highly recommend Hank Hanergraaf’s book, Counterfeit Revival, which has conducted extensive research about this travelling cult and it’s coercion tactics which are not only unbiblical but very dangerous!! PROTECT YOUR FAMILY!!! Here is a sample from Chapter-19’s “SEVEN SCRIPTURAL PRETEXTS”

 

“Ex-Domincan priest Father Francis MacNutt not only creates credibility for the slain in the spirit phenomennon by pointing to QUAKERS and SHAKERS in past revivals, but he also points to movers and shakers in the present revival. In Overcome By The Spirit, he writes, ‘in Protestant revivals, as we have seen, many people trembled and shook. So, too, in our day, the shaking phenomenon occurs in John Wimber’s conferences’. MacNutt points out that at one time Wimber was a Quaker pastor and presumes that the “shaking phenmenon is part of John’s spiritual heritage”.

Wimber himself, HOWEVER, focuses on Scripture rather than on his spiritual heritage as a Quaker. In 1981 Wimber(the founder of the International Association of Vineyard Churches) preached a series of sermons titled “Spiritual Phenomena:SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT”.

In this series Wimber points out that “the model as we’ve seen it ministered out in the land” IS NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE: ‘There’s no place in the Bible where people were lined up and Jesus or Paul or anyone else went along and bapped them on the head and watched them go down, one after another, and somebody else ran along behind. Can you picture Peter and James-‘Hold it, Hold it, hold it!”- running along behind trying to catch them? And so the model that we’re seeing, either on stage or television, IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING THAT’S IN SCRIPTURE(john wimber, “spiritual phenomena: slain in the spirit-part 1, Vineyard Christian Fellowship, Anaheim, Ca, 1981, audiotape).

 

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     Remember how earlier we talked about how important it is to remain in context and proved successfully how Larry Stockstill practiced Eisegesis to get over-and-above donations from the naive(2Sam.24:24). Well, this former Quaker, John Wimber, practices the same flawed Hermeneutics. One of the Scriptures that John Wimber uses to have his disciples practice the occultic “Slain In The Spirit”  is Gen.2:21.

 

21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh.

 

On the same audiotaped sermon(Wimber,Spiritual Phenomena: Slain in the Spirit-Part 1) Wimber insists that translators, who’ve never been “slain in the spirit” are incorrect for translating the hebrew word “YASHEN” in Gen.2:21 as “sleep” because it means to become slack.  Brothers and sisters this is the same type of eisegesis conducted by Connie Williams on Joel’s website about the etymology for Sarah Palin!

Two things should be noted;

  1. The hebrew YASHEN  is not in Gen.2:21
  2. YASHEN still means sleep not “slack” or “to become slack”

 

John Wimber’s deception for this occultic practice is based on lies!  Again, this is the same practice of Bethany. They don’t care what the context of the Chapter is as long as they verse has the right words to appear to support their practices. John Wimber at first told the truth and stated this ritual is not found in Scripture but when it’s popularity caught on, he isolated verses from their context to prove it is biblical. Since Christians didn’t test the ex-Quaker’s prooftext, he continued isolating verses to support his ritual of being “slain in the spirit”. The next six are:

  1. Abram FELL  on his face and God talked to him(Gen.17:3)

 

As Hank documents on Pg.186(Chapter-19, Slain In The Spirit, Seven Scriptural Pretexts) of how Wimber claims the original hebrew in Gen.17:3 for FELL is actually RADAM but it was actually NAPHAL and knowing a good interpreter sticks with the context, Hank elucidates “Furthermore, the Almighty did not cause Abraham to fall through a blow that stupefied and knocked him senseless, rather Abraham fell of his own accord in response to the Majesty of the Almighty. FINALLY, AS HE DID WITH ADAM, WIMBER INTERPRETS SCRIPTURE IN LIGHT EXPERIENCE RATHER THAN INTERPRETING EXPERIENCE IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE”. It should also be noted brothers and sisters that the ENEMIES of God fall backwards as opposed to falling forward like the friends of God do in the Holy Bible.  

Since you can see the abuse of context I’ll simply list the other pre-texts and let you continue studying on your own.

 

2.Acts 10:9-10

3.Acts 9:3-4

4.Rev.1:17

5.John 18:6

 

Remember context is very important to honest interpretation. Isolating sentences from the chapters can be made to say ANYTHING and back up ANY RITUAL.  I’ll leave you with a quote from the Dictionary of Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements(Pg. 790-791):

 

“An entire battalion of Scripture proof texts is enlisted to support the legitacy of the phenomenon, ALTHOUGH SCRIPTURE OFFERS NO SUPPORT for the phenomenon AS SOMETHING TO BE EXPECTED IN THE NORMAL CHRISTIAN LIFE….From an experiential standpoint it is unquestionable that through the centuries Christians have experienced a psycho-physical phenomenon in which people fall down; morever, they have attributed the experience to God. It is equally questionable that there is NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCE FOR THE EXPERIENCE as normative in Christian life. ”

    

      Again, I sincerely pray for your safety. I sincerely ask You Father that these who seek your presence will realize the counterfeits they’ve been exposed to. I also pray ADONAI that Larry Stockstill will truthfully “come back to” sincerity and turn away from these occultic practices, Amen!

Jordan Jopling of Bethany, LIAR, LIAR!! Monday, Dec 22 2008 

     Jordan Jopling , who works with Joel Stockstill’s 220U, has recently felt the need to respond personally to me,Ovadyah, to defend Gov. Sarah Palin and Joel Stockstill. I’ll place his entire response unedited and respond below it. As many of us have already seen, it’s done more damage than damage control. Oh, when will they learn!!  Jordan Jopling thinks we’re all ignorant not realizing that the modern day racist speak in “code words” and WAS RECENTLY UPHELD IN A COURT OF LAW AS ADMISSABLE EVIDENCE.

 

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Ovadyah,

You are seriously mixing up facts.

1) Joel Stockstill never has been and is not a racist. Those that accuse him of this only expose themselves as not knowing him or his family AT ALL.

2) Sarah Palin is outspoken about her Christian faith (as is Obama). The reason that the Church in America is behind her is that her history confirms this. Unlike Barak Obama, she does attend a Spirit-filled church  and the people she is associated with in Alaska back up her Christian lifestyle.

3) The accusations about Palin’s knowledge of Africa came out AFTER the election, Fox News said they wished they would have known, and Palin denied the accusations. All of this is on the video you link to, so please watch closely.

4) The Kim Clement prophecy you and Pastor Joel refers to does in fact claim that a vice presidential CANDIDATE…would shake things up. Did that not happen with Palin. Seems like the prophecy was fulfilled. Again, your own link supports this.

…would shake things up. Did that not happen with Palin. Seems like the prophecy was fulfilled. Again, your own link supports this.

5) Last, but most importantly: Pastor Joel went to West Palm Beach during the hurricane because he has kidney failure and must be on dialysis 3 times a week. Baton Rouge was without power for a week in most areas. He has a friend that lives there and stayed with them.

Please look at things objectively. When you interpret things based on a conclusion that you want, you will never see truth. You’re hurting yourself and everyone you lie to about these things.

 

 

Peace And Grace To You Jordan Jopling,

                                                           Upon reading your entire e-mail I was reminded of how Sen.John McCain(R) had to constantly remove Gov.Sarah Palin’s foot from her mouth when she attempted to conduct interviews without supervision.  She attempted to be a big girl and turned into a big embarassment for women across America and Sen.John’s campaign. As a result, John McCain felt the need to start sitting-in these interviews and interjecting before Sarah could further embarrass the Republican Campaign and cause Republicans to start jumping-ship and making an exodus towards PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA.

 

     In other words, You’re Joel Stockstill’s John McCain and Joel is of course your Sarah Palin, constantly putting his foot in his mouth and embarrassing his father’s Campaigns. Bethany now sees an exodous of their biggest financial supporters(African-americans) returning to their own churches from which Bethany seduced them from. I will respond to your claims in the same order as you numbered them. But first realize, that we’re not ignorant we know the racist CODE WORDS.  Even the courts of law recognize that the new racist speak in code.  Haven’t you seen the code that the N.Y. Time spoke in when they were clearly calling President Obama a monkey in their cartoon!?

 

I GUESS THIS IS NOT RACIST EITHER HUH JORDAN?

I GUESS THIS IS NOT RACIST EITHER HUH JORDAN?

 

1.)You claim that Joel Stockstill is not a racist yet he never extended the same courtesy and praise to PRESIDENT-ELECT Barack Obama which he blindly gave to Sarah Palin. Joel Stockstill emulates the new racist. They provide one standard for whites and another standard for African-Americans. Joel NEVER gave us any negative concerns about Sarah Palin; Joel never exposed Sarah Palin’s questionable company but never had a problem with whipping the backs of the black folks(Jesse Jackson, Oprah Winfrey) with his berating tongue who supported PRESIDENT-ELECT Barack Obama.Why not do the same with the questionable folks who supported Palin and McCain?! This is the same characteristics of the new racists,i.e., a double standard for blacks.  We fell for those tactics with Bush and Govenor Foster but NO MORE, AMEN!!  Bush is the biggest joke to ever land in the White House. If Joel’s not a racist he’s definitely adopted and simulated their behavior during THIS presidential campaign. Walk like a duck, talk like a duck, he’s a duck. Oh yeah, I’ve noticed all of the rewriting Joel has been doing to his blog entries. Will this fool the black majority? Probally, sad but probally. I know of many who deify the Stockstills.

Remember when Tiger Woods entered golf and the racist comment made by his colleage. The other whites came to his defense and stated the same thing your’re saying, “You just have to know him, he’s not a racist”. It seems everytime a white gets caught in such a bind their “brothers” come with the exact same defense, “You’ve got to to know him”. We minorities know that double standard!! We know the code words!! We know the berating words!! We know when LSU hangs that REBEL FLAG, they’re racist!! Depsite folks stating, “You just don’t understand us” or “it shows you just don’t know us”, we are just expressing southern pride. These are the signs/symptoms you ignore. I don’t blame you for your ignorance. Everyday minorities encounter certain phrases and quips by whites that set off alarms in their heads. It’s not until they get home from work that they call their fellow and state, “You won’t believe what so-and-so said today” and when it gets out…here comes that white guy with, “You just have to understand so-and-so he’s just old-school or you just gotta know him”. It makes us sick!!

 

Another example is his dad’s, Larry Stockstill’s blog entry about “THIS PRESIDENT “is another sign/symptom. Larry calls President Obama, “THIS PRESIDENT….”  AND NOT  “Our President” but a demeaning “THIS PRESIDENT“.We know YOU and we know JOEL. “THIS PRESIDENT”??!! At Southern University and black churches that statement says a lot and is similar to the other racist in Louisiana. Larry has claims in his blog maybe racial strife is coming to an end??!! Obviously not Bethany! He claims many whites voted for President Barack and claims to have rejoiced over this as proof that racism is coming to an end. WOW…Now he wants to praise President Barack, LOL! It was clear during the campaigns who He was voting for and it’s clear from his description of PRESIDENT BARACK as “THIS PRESIDENT” and not “OUR PRESIDENT” that shows his concealed prejudice, it just kills Larry Stockstill to say, “OUR PRESIDENT”.

There have been many half-truths about whites voting for Pres. Barack. Yes, many voted for this black man, however, THE MAJORITY DID NOT!! Despite the record breaking number of Black registrered voters, the white vote won Louisiana for McCain and Palin. What side was Joel on? The majority of black folks in his church or did he stick with his skin clan? It’s amazing how this white kid is leading our black elders.

 

  • How did they get so seduced from their churches??!!
  • How did our black leaders give up their STRUGGLE for freedom from white authority and later submit to white authority(Stockstills)??!!
  • How did Bethany trick our elders not to support President Barack??!!
  • How did our small family churches become empty and the Stockstills’ fill up?
  • How did our people abandon their historical civil rights churches for the Stockstill’s authority??!!
  • How did we stop supporting historic churches for new-age occultic experiences??!!
  • How did we become embarassed of our roots??!!

 

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       It’s important to examine what Larry says about the racial divide. He made the claim that whites voting for Barack is proof that racial tension is healing. So would it not be logical that those who didn’t vote for Barack prove just the opposite? So with that in mind….

 

It’s clear the whites at Bethany who didn’t give President Barack their vote are not part of Larry Stockstill’s proof that whites voting for Pres. Barack shows racial healing. I would agree with Larry Stockstill that whites voting for a black President shows that some are healing that racial divide and are fulfilling Martin Luther’s dream that they didn’t see the color of his skin. It also brought out what was hidden under Bethany’s skin. Yes, Larry Stockstill is attempting to praise Pres. Barack ,NOW, BUT DID EVERYTHING IN HIS STRENGTH DURING THE ELECTION(with Joel’s support) TO ENSURE BARACK WOULD NOT BECOME OUR PRESIDENT. But now that his man lost and Joel’s black congregation is disgruntled about their comments, the Stockstill’s are attempting to seduce them back under THEIR authority and keep their fore-fathers churches empty.

 

     Furthermore, to elucidate how the WHITES OF LOUISIANA voted I guide you to the research by New Orleans Newspaper, The Times Picayune.  Even without their research it was clear that LOUISIANA WHITES WERE NOT GOING TO SUBMIT TO A BLACK PRESIDENT, yet blacks elders submit to a white kid(Joel Stockstill).  The article is archived at nola.com click here to access it, it also contains a visual map of the breakdown. Again, which side was Joel on. Here is a concise quote of their research:

 

 

“However, while Obama was improving on Kerry’s performance in most states — including such critical battlegrounds as Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and North Carolina — he did worse than Kerry among white voters in a handful of states — ESPECIALLY Alabama, Mississippi and LOUISIANA.”

 

AND THEN THEY SADLY CONCLUDED

 

“They[LOUISIANA, ALAMBAMA,MISSISSIPPI] are moving contrary to the rest of the country,” said Bositis, who said Obama’s race — and the historic pattern of racially polarized voting in these states — seemed the most obvious reason.”

 

 

2.)Gov.Sarah Palin wasn’t outspoken about her Christian faith, she constantly referred to herself as a “MAVERICK”, I rarely heard Jesus or Scriputre or Praying and turned her campaigns to small white towns as the “real americans”. Furthermore the “Church of America” was not behind Sarah Palin, it was the WHITE CHURCH that was behind Sarah Palin,. 

 

     There goes that double standard again, you stated unlike Barack Obama’s Church Sarah Palin’s is “Spirit-Filled”. If a church doesn’t have the Holy Spirit then it’s logical to conclude it isn’t Christian; You can’t be saved unless you’re Spirit-Filled. What a judgement you’ve made against our President!! I’ve seen the hostile whites at McCain’s campaigns, even Sen. John. McCain had to ease white voters because they scaring off a lot of minority voters. Yet, nobody at Bethany’s blogs pointed out those white-pride Christians! Nobody at Bethany rebuked Palin for her shopping spree of $150,000.00 during a terrible economy. That didn’t show good stewardship. Why the double standard??!!

We know that our church leaders prayed over President Barack.  So I guess these blacks elders fall under your double standard of not being “Spirit-Filled”. It’s a beautiful picture of blacks not falling prey to white intimidation. I feel sorry for the blacks in Bethany’s 220SU. Brothers and Sisters view the pic’ in the link below, my family actually placed this above our fireplace encased with the American Flag. I know JORDAN JOPLING  how you feel about the black church. You clearly stated it above(#2)Unlike Barak Obama, she does attend a Spirit-filled church”.

 

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SPIRIT FILLED ELDERS PRAYING FOR PRESIDENT-ELECT BARACK OBAMA

 

3.)O.K. there’s not much too say about Number-3….OF COURSE Gov. Palin is going to deny it. She also claim that she read many magazines on the economy and couldn’t name one. She responded to Katie Kouric with “Oooh I read the ones put before me“, “Oooh I read lot’s of em”, LOL!! Again, not much to say about her truthfulness. That was hillarious. What a Spirit-filled woman! She was spirit-filled(not Holy Spirit) and spoke with lying tongues.

 

 

4.)Sarah Palin didn’t shake things up!! Not unless you mean she shook things up so hard their campaign deteriorated and caused Republicans to vote for Pres. Barack(Gen.C.Powell and Armstrong Williams)Yeah in that case she shook things up allright! Plus, anyone can make vague prophecies like that and they do, it’s big business cause their are so many gullible customers. However, my definition of shaking things up would’ve been a win not a huge loss!! Even John McCain says he sees more qualified people than Sarah Palin who he hill support for the 2012 Presidency. If she was part of Prophecy it’s definitely not the one by Kim Clement. Gov. Sarah was a panicked reaction when the whites saw President Barack had a chance to win even without Hillary Clinton as Vice President. Furthermore, not one Stockstill blogged, revealed, or rebuked Sarah Palin’s daughter(Bristol Palin) for SEX OUT OF MARRIAGE and a BABY OUT OF WEDLOCK!! Instead they continued focusing on Barack Obama! Bristol Palin gave birth to her child AND STILL REMAINS UNMARRIED!! What bias you and the Stockstills have!

 

 

5.)You’re definitely doing damage control on this one, LOL. Nowhere in his post does JOEL STOCKSTILL even hint that he had to travel to one of the most expensive and richer city in the U.S. FOR “DIALYSIS” or that he stayed with a friend in West Palm Beach. In his blog entry he clearly states it was “Hot and sticky” in Baton Rouge and when he arrived in West Palm Beach it was nice to get “A.C.” Or in his own words….

 

 

“NOTHING WORSE THAN NO AC!”

 

     If his dialysis treatments were that effected, he sure didn’t complain about it or seek treatment in Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, or the very close pan-handle of Florida. I’m sure there were no immediate areas for this Prosperity Preacher but “West Palm Beach” where the average single family home in 2007 was $396,000.00. For someone who constantly blogs about his health he definitely didn’t this time. In his words, “NOTHING WORSE THAN NO AC!”.

 

     Futhermore, I know people who are treated at the same facility(one is a family member who needs to stop smoking, yeah I went there on ya, LOL) and they were directed to alternate sites that were IMMEDIATELY restored. On top of that, anyone listening to the news knows that even the surrounding neighborhoods of hospitals recieved electricity. I’m also sure none of the surrounding parishes were able to take him. It’s ironic how my family member who receives the same number of treatments per week was able to remain in Louisiana and get treatment. I’m going to interview more patients and see how far they had to travel, I’m sure they couldn’t travel to West Palm Beach.

 

     Finally, he makes no mention of thanks to his “friend in West Palm Beach” for allowing him to stay in their West Palm Beach House. HOWEVER, he does state that some friends came down to visit him and join in the $hopping $pree$!! It would make more sense to thank his “friend” in West Palm Beach for allowing him to stay at his house. If he stayed with his friends in Orlando, Joel wouldn’t have said they “came down” to visit him and join in the $hopping $pree$. These friends had to travel from Orlando to West Palm Beach which is approximately 170.97 MILES which is about 2HOURS AND 42 MINUTES. Yeah but he stayed with them, SHAME ON YOU JORDAN!! Like my momma says, “TELL THE TRUTH AND SHAME THE DEVIL”.

 

“Today I had the opportunity to hang out with my good friends Jonathan and Christina Miller, who came down from Orlando. We preceded to hit EVERY MALL IN THE AREA and do some major damage of our own!”

 

     Hmmmm, sound like they were visiting his AC not vice-versa. But keep attempting to clean up behind your Sarah Palin everytime he puts his foot in his mouth! From the above evidence you clearly need to learn objectivity and stop with the damage control. Just repent and move on. Sarah Palin failed, Joel hated being without AC, and Obama is OUR President. I know it disgusts you to see that black face in a high place AND I LOVE IT!! HOW DID IT HAPPEN, huh?! Too bad FOR YOU America isn’t like THE WHITE DIXIE SOUTH!! Amen.

 And yes, I already know what Bethany is going to do to keep their biggest financial contributors(African Americans). They will promote  more black faces in high places(teachers, front pew with more black folks). The sad thing those black faces are not from black places. I’ve read their profiles they didn’t grow in black neighborhoods or went to black schools (high school or college). They’ve allowed the Stockstills to assimilate their culture.

***Please note I will interview my family member and staff at that dialysis center to get exact details concerning Gustav’s effects on their patients. But even without it, we’ve seen you’re Maverick cleanup. Again, I’m sure the other Parishes didn’t have dialysis centers or the surrounding states. It’s ironic how my family member was able to receive treatment here and didn’t have the access to church’s money for travel. I’ve also noticed Joel has added/edited his Palin Part2 blog, LOL. Feeling the heat huh?

Coveting, Stockstill, and 2Sam.24:24(Pt.2) Thursday, Nov 20 2008 

Blessings In The Name of Christ Who Calls Us To On Guard Against The Scams of The Greedy

 

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     In part-1 of this series, I showed how Larry Stockstill follows the flawed hermeneutics of the greedy and corrupt televangelist he commonly quotes and associates with. He abused the Holy Scriptures of 2Sam. 24:24 as a prooftext to covet the monies of the biblical illiterate.

 Larry Stockstill claims the narrative of David is actually a teaching on Capital(money) Campaigns. However, when we follow context and the basic rules of reading comprehension, we discover that the only campaign Larry Stockstill is crusading for is a “Coveting-Campaign”. He himself boasts about having lived a good life.

     Larry Stockstill is not only guilty of misusing the Holy Scriptures to covet money but he and his family don’t even practice what they preach!!  They are just like the Big Bankers/C.E.O.’s who cry to everyone for bail out money while taking trips to NBA games and shopping sprees in West Palm Beach. The first suggestion in his coveting plan is:

 

1. Practice priority budgeting.
 

Many families choose to rearrange their priorities and give up something in their current budgets in order to give more to a capital campaign. Priority budgeting may mean postponing a planned expenditure for such things as a new car, vacation, home remodeling, or other major expenditure. Many Christians giving to capital stewardship campaigns find the means to give through sacrificial commitments made in faith and coupled with priority budgeting.

 

 

     Larry Stockstill further adds that he and his wife are totally committed in making these sacrifices with the congregation:

 

It’s going to take tremendous sacrifice and teamwork to achieve our 20/20 Vision. Melanie and I are prepared to make the greatest commitment to Bethany we have ever made. “

 

   Thus far we see Larry Stockstill calling on the naive to “…give up something in their budgets….” and redirect that money to his capital campaign which “…may mean postponing a planned expenditure for such things as a new car, vacation, home remodeling, or major expenditure”.

     First of all, I couldn’t ask any hard working member in this stress-burdened market to postpone a vacation!! This recreation is much needed for those work long hours and many days to put their kids through college, food on the table,  beat-up cars in tune, and clothes on their family. Larry Stockstill is blatanly speaking as one who is clueless about hard labor and obviously has had the benefit of coveting the income of the church.

     Second of all, Larry Stockstill lies to his naive members while they continue to make sacrifices. Larry claims he and Melanie will likewise give up and postpone things, e.g., a planned expenditures. Yet he himself doesn’t postpone or give up traveling. Imagine how much money he could have contributed instead of coveting from the members by giving up trips overseas. Last year (2007) he traveled to Germany AND Seoul, Korea as was noted on his website Larrystockstill.com. It’s very interesting that like his son Joel Stockstill, he has deleted posts which make such admissions. Remember his son Joel’s deletion of his Anti-Obama posts?

     Larry Stockstill has deleted all posts of his previous travels which were contradicting his preaching for his members to postpone and give vacations during the capital campaing until 2020. However, 2008 is no exception, he states:

 

 

       The most blatant splap-in-the-face to those who deify the Stockstills and naively give over-and-beyond during Larry’s Captital Campaign should be Joel’s statement in his blog posted on Sept. 05, 2008 titled “Wild Week!”

 

 

Boy, has this been crazy week! As many of you know, this week began with the worst hurricane in recent BR history. Hurricane Gustov (i think is how you spell it) came slamming into our lives on Monday Sept. 1. Of course, much to my dismay, we lost power around noon on Monday and stayed out till Fri. night where I live. I was corralled up at my parents house and things were hot and sticky. Nothing worse than no ac!
On Wed. I caught a flight to West Palm Beach and have had a great time here in the air conditioning and going shopping. Today I had the opportunity to hang out with my good friends Jonathan and Christina Miller, who came down from Orlando. We preceded to hit every mall in the area and do some major damage of our own! Amy would be proud of me how I shopped it up today. I thought of her much as I traveled the many stores and malls that she loves so much and made me sit and wait for hours. No one could shop like that girl!
I can tell you all this, and I think I speak for all in the Gulf Coast area, Hurricane season go away and never come back another day! It won’t disappoint me if I never have another week like this one.

 

     That is just amazing!!! He rightly understands that Hurrican Gustav was the “…worst hurricane in recent BR history”.

  1. Did Joel Stockstill make a sacrifice and postpone his vacationing after such a tragic storm with the congregation?
  2. Did Joel Stockstill make a sacrifice and postpone shopping  West Palm Beach shopping spree”?
  3. Did Joel Stockstill make a sacrifice and used his extra time to asssist those in need during Hurricane Gustav’s aftermath?
  4. Did Joel Stockstill make a sacrifice and “rearrange his priorities” (shopping spree, hotel stay, rountrip airfare)?
  5. Did Larry Stockstill forbid Joel Stockstill from “shopping it up” and vacationing in West Palm Beach?
  6. Did Larry Stockstill’s family choose to give up something during this “worst hurricane….”?
  7. When forced to give up A.C. did Joel make the sacrifice and ride it out till the end with the congregation?
  8. When the 220 leaders coerced the kids to contribute to Joel’s B-Day gifts  “rearranging or giving up” something during this campaign?
  9. What does a fully loaded Honda Four Wheeler help Bethany’s capital campaign, 20/20 Vision?
  10. How does roundtrip airfare to San Antonio and courtside tickets for the Stockstill boys strenghten their father’s plea for the congregation to give “OVER AND BEYOND”?

 

      At a time The members of Bethany needed Joel Stockstill the most he abandoned them  for one of the wealthiest and most expesive cities in the United States, i.e., West Palm Beach! Upon arriving at West Palm Beach Joel Stockstill goes on to brag about how  “I SHOPPED IT UP TODAY” and how during this capital campaign when Amy was alive and others were sacrificing he admits “NO ONE COULD SHOP LIKE THAT GIRL!” and strenghthens that statement with how she “…MADE ME SIT FOR HOURS.”.

     Yet the gullible continue to make sacrifices and give over and beyond while the Stockstill’s travel and shop!! The gullibe continue to postpone while the Stockstill’s update their websites AND blogs!! In comparing the poor who continue to give over and beyond with the fine living of the Stockstill’s my heart aches!!

 

Look at the comments naive made to this entry:

  1. Robin Savoy says “There is no better medicine than shopping!”.
  2. Brad Barker says, “Well I hope you shopped til you dropped Pastor Joel…Good to hear from you I was worried!”
  3. Brock Beesely says, “a man after my own heart.”.
  4. Mark and Connie Williams says, “Indeed, Pastor Joel, nothin like a lil shoppin to sooth the soul LOL!”.

 

As recent as Nov.14, 2008(See blog entry, Dr. Oral Roberts) he traveled to San Diego for a “preaching engagement”. Surely this was another trip that could have been postponed?! Or the author of the capital campaign Larry Stockstill when he brags about “traveling the world”.

 

 Larry Stockstill and his children are no different than the big Bankers/C.E.O.’s who cry for bail-out money and continue to lavish themselves with trips to NBA games and countless trips across America. The Stockstills have definitely lived the good life during their cry for bail out money, yet like the big bankers, don’t practice what they preach.

May God continue to visit misery/sickness on Bethany (House of Misery/Poverty).

Counterfeit Revivals of Steve Hill Wednesday, Jul 30 2008 

PEACE AND GRACE IN THE NAME OF CHRIST JESUS WHO WARNED US OF FALSE PROPHETS TO COME!!

 

    Steve Hill (speaker at Bethany’s 220 power conference) is one of the main leaders of the “Pensacola Revival” who was caught in some serious lies! He has claimed that Congressman from the United States goverment have flocked to his revivals, cops have been bringing drug dealers, crime has decreased significantly, all due to his revivals. However, even the police have provided proof that Steve Hill’s claim that crime decreased IS A PURE LIE WITH NO BASIS! This same man has been approved by Larry Stockstill’s Bethany to prey on Christ’s sheep at their past conferences. Parents protect your youth!!

 

     The link below will bring the reader to an outstanding expose’ on lies and scams that Steve Hill has pulled on the naive Christians who seek experiences instead of truth. My prayer is that you equip yourself with God’s Word and protect your family from this dangerous teacher who is approved by Larry Stockstill!

 

     The reader will be directed to the (C)hristian (R)esearch (I)nstitute’s article entitled “The Counterfeit Revival (Part 3) Separating Fact From Fabrication On The Pensacola Outpouring” by Hank Hanergraaf at the following link, pay special attention to the middle of the article’s subsection “Seperating Fact From Fabrication” which interviewed and researched Steve Hill’s claims:

 

Steve Hill’s Counterfeit Revivals  

 

     Most importantly, J.Lee Brady(an editor for Charisma Magazine ) published his experience at Steve Hill’s counterfeit revivals and follow-ups of the results of their claims. It should be noted that Charisma Magazine is an unbiased view which actually is a supporter of the Charismatic Community which produced such disciples. However, their investigations revealed the following article title “What Happened To Brownsville’s Fire? :

 

“I am wondering why the church that hosted hundreds of thousands of visitors has shrunk to a few hundred members and now owes millions of dollars for a building they can’t fill. I am struggling to understand why so many people who once were part of the Brownsville church now feel hurt and betrayed. I am wondering if the leaders of this movement mishandled the anointing of God’s presence like Uzzah did when the ark of God almost toppled on the ground (see 2 Sam. 6:6-8).
 
History shows us that revival is always risky. The devil opposes it, and carnal flesh gets in the way of it. The Holy Spirit is easily quenched by pride, greed, selfish religious agendas and broken relationships.
 
I can’t be the judge of what brought Brownsville’s demise. But we must face the facts and learn some lessons, or we will repeat the scenario next time.”
      
Well, it’s being repeated at Bethany(House of Misery in original Hebrew) right now!!  A response to Charisma Magazine’s ambiguity can be read at Steve Lumbley’s site, APOSTASY WATCH.
    
      Another unbiased article is being preserved/hosted by Rick Ross’s ministry which was originally published by The Pensacola News Journal(1997) entitled “PASTORS ORCHESTRATED FIRST REVIVAL“. It should be noted that The Pensacola News Journal at first published favorable articles on this counterfeit revival until they too (like Charisma Magazine) discovered the scams for themselves.

          In the words of Joel Stockstill at his blog at 220POWER.COM :

 

“The presence of God in the atmosphere is as electric as lightning in the midst of a mighty wind storm. In an instant, lives are changed as the touch of heaven descends like showers rain. Suddenly a roar begins. It is coming from an army of young people charging forward with thunderous momentum. They are bursting forth from the flood gates with the hurricane force of the Holy Spirit.”

     Are you ready? Well for only $25.00 which is not the cost BUT “The cost of EARLY registration….”. The conference with Steve Hill is hosted by Bethany twice(June 17-19 2008, July 8-10). If you can’t afford to be there maybe you can purchase the DVD that recorded “The presence of God in the atmosphere….” for the following list prices at Bethany’s online store:

 

 

     These men false prophets feed on people’s ignorance and dwell on their emotions instead of their logic. As a result, experience and not knowledge of Scripture is the key to an “encounter with GOD”.  They hold on to the latest fad and give disguise it with church clothes so the world can be comfortable. They pretend that thousands upon thousands are being saved YET reality shows that thousands upon thousands are doing ungodly things. If we hold these men to their numbers which they put forth everyone in Baton Rouge should be saved and producing godly fruit. However it’s all for profit, charging admissions fees to enter GOD’s presence with conference after conference.

 

“For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                 

Larry Stockstill’s Prooftexting Fallacy Tuesday, May 6 2008 

     PROOFTEXTING:

     One of the tools Prosperity Televangelist abuse to covet believers valuables is Scripture itself.   They will constantly use the “proof text” method when interpreting Scripture.  For example,  televangelist will start with their own desires and then seek verses that appear to support their authority. A believer should instead research what Scripture says about a particular topic and adjust their lives to its authority and not force Scripture to submit to our authority. An decent method of interpreting Scripture is the Inductive Bible Study method. This method seeks to understand the biblical author’s instended meaning versus a preconceived plan to justify a desire. There are several good books in the Christian academic field.  Please do not skip this section as I want you to sharpen your skills and become a Christian reader with integrity and not follow eisegesis of these televangelists.

 

     The first  quote is from Grant R. Osborne’s(Ph.D, Univ. of Aberdeen) Hermeneutical Spiral(Pg.19, Chapter-1, Context):

 

“The first stage in serious bible study is to consider the larger context within which a passage is found. Unless we can grasp the whole before attempting to dissect the parts, interpretation is doomed from the start. Statements simply have no meaning apart from their context. If I say, ‘Give it all you got,’ you would rightly query, ‘What do you mean by IT?’ and ‘How do I rightly do so?’ Without a situation to give the command content, it becomes meaningless. In Scripture the context provides the situation behind the text”.

 

     The second quote is from Kay Arthur’s “How To Study Your Bible:

 

“(Pg.61, The Search for meaning) When you know God’s Word thoroughly, you will not accept a teaching simply because someone has used one or two isolated verses to support that teaching.”

“(Pg.64) When we ascribe meaning to a passage that the author did not intend, then we are assuming an authority equivalent to that of the author. And the author of all Scripture is really God”.

 

     In other words, if we remove or ignore certain verses while reading Scripture that do not favor our preconceived ideas, we have corrupted the Word of God.  As a result, the Christian will hear many interpretations over one verse. Why? because the whole was ignore!

 

     Now read the article on how Larry Stockstill employs the “proof texting” fallacy to engage his capital campaign or more properly his “20/20 Vision” plan. If you scroll to the bottom you will see “MAKING AN OVER AND ABOVE GIFT TO GOD” brochure link.   See the next article on Larry’s use of 2Sam. 24:24